Ajax - Spreading Experience - Noise of the Broke Boys Episode 014
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Ajax, a Sacramento Bboy Pioneer discusses his thoughts on the hip hop scene and the dynamics of crew interaction.
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in this episode I talk with a b-boy I've
looked up to since I was a kid
this guy has tremendous insight into the
art of breaking and a decorated history
in the game not only is he knowledgeable
down-to-earth and extremely skilled he's
a genuine and humble guy that's not
afraid to tell it like it is I have a
massive respect for this man
so please enjoy the episode with the one
and only Ajax hello everybody welcome to
this broke-ass show today I have a very
great guest with me we are on location
at elite studio of dance in Elk Grove
right now and I have my friend Ajax he's
a b-boy he's a teacher he's a student a
father a friend a golfer of fish cam bro
you put in all my info out there 49ers
fan a Kings fan and a Sacramento hip-hop
og diehard Niners fan yep since I was
shit man I think the first Super Bowl I
watched I think it was like in 1989 oh
shit I was like eight years old or
something like that so so you were
trying to see see them win some games
been a Niners fan ever since so can't
call me a bandwagon er
can't call me none of that shit diehard
Niner fam and I'll 89 I was two years
old all I was trying to do is not poop
my pants playing outside fucking yeah
drinking out the water hose yeah
drinking out of the water hose in like I
don't know probably doing some wild shit
that I shouldn't be doing that's that 80
swagger and your parents are like where
the kid fucking be home before dark and
shit yeah
damn dude so you've been like in the
hip-hop scene for a minute right what
like what got you into it so kind of
like any other kid like I remember back
when I was probably I don't know five
six seven years old around that age
we'd have like family parties or
whatever and you know we'd be dancing
whatever whatever dance was popular
we'd be dancing and then you know just I
mean I guess breaking but not really
knowing what you're doing because I mean
of course in the 80s like people were
breaking but it was mostly like I think
it was more of an East Coast thing like
I don't think there is really
necessarily a lot of kids or people in
general in California you know breaking
or whatever so I think mostly was just
like dancing you know I like family
parties get together shit like that and
then as far as like actually like
getting into like hip hop I thought
somebody from the studio as far as
getting into hip hop I think that
started like in junior high okay shit
like 90-94 ish okay
so that's kind of when I got into like
hip hop and it was mostly just music at
first okay I think my first like couple
hip hop albums that I got I think one of
them was del the funky homosapien no
need for alarm yeah you know that that
and it was crazy too because they used
to sin like those things in the mail
where you can like order like ten tapes
or everything I think you like pay
something yeah yeah you know I mean I do
remember that yeah cuz my mom would
always get some stuff but she'd have
some like freaking Celine Dion or
whatever yeah so like I used to get
those things and then I'd order like a
bunch of tapes or whatever and this was
I think this was like right beef no I
think CDs were around but I mean people
were still rockin like cassette tapes or
whatever yeah so I I ordered no need for
alarm I can't remember what else I think
it was like I might have been like doggy
style or something like that so anyways
yeah I ordered like a bunch of tapes
from that thing
and then I remember like um my mom like
heard me listen to him she what the hell
are ya like hello cousin should yeah
yeah yeah and then and then also like my
uncle just school used to have like
hella cassette tapes like growing up so
I used to like dip into his cassettes
and like kind of listen to what was what
back then mmm this was like early like
like 90s or whatever whatever so that's
kind of how I how I got into like
hip-hop music it was yeah from my uncle
just like dipping in his tapes and then
like I said ordering tapes from that
stupid mail order thing or whatever and
then out would be one that came later I
remember I think I was in like 7th or
8th grade and we had like a height or
our junior high like pep rally or
something like that yeah and then they
had a performance from souls crew okay
like some b-boys and that was like the
first time like since the 80s that I saw
like breakdancing again I was like oh
shit like these fools you know they're
break-in doing head it was mostly like
power moves yeah but it was you know
obviously you're impressed or you're in
junior high and like some older cats
come in and start breaking so you're
like oh shit I gotta learn how to do
that you know yeah yeah so but you saw
it before that pep rally like on TV or
something yeah yeah I mean like a movie
or whatever back in the eighties like
you know be street breaking all that so
I mean it was there but I mean like shit
man like it didn't like capture your
attention until like you saw it in
person yeah yeah it's kind of like cuz
like I said like back then like I don't
remember like their nests I mean people
were popping maybe me like popping sure
like that so I think that was that but
as far as like like breaking like I
don't really I can't remember anybody
that I knew at least I was breaking you
know and then yeah that pep rally
it was souls crew and I was like aw dude
I gotta learn how to break and so like
you went straight into breaking
were you like trying to do like power
moves and stuff or like what was it that
captured your attention and well
actually I started off popping so let me
rewind okay so I started off popping
just because I thought that was like I
thought that was like the the dopest
part like talking yeah and then I pop
for awhile
you said battlecast I like the skating
ring and stuff like that oh yeah yeah
yeah
King skate gave out over that place but
yeah I started off popping and then yeah
eventually just started we should call
it style so doing style okay and that's
basically you know footwork top rocks or
whatever like that it was me and then
just a couple of cats I went to junior
high school with we'd go to school and
then get out of school go home and then
move all the furniture from my buddy's
living room and practice in there yeah
like we didn't know what the fuck we
were doing you know what I mean we're
fucking we even know the names of the
moves yeah yeah and then eventually like
we'd listen oh that's called a flare
it's called a windmill or whatever you
know I mean could someone actually flare
before they knew the name of it um the
guys I was practicing with I don't think
none and then like learn how to flare
anything okay I was the only one that
learned how to flare and it took hella
long like it took so long and then I
remember always doing I'm wrong for
awhile and then you know just watching
people or whatever like that and then I
mean a couple people would help you out
but realistically back then like people
weren't really trying to help you unless
you were you know down with them or
whatever
they always got some shit going on yeah
so okay so then so that was like eighth
grade you started
dan it's really getting into like the
hip-hop dancing and then and then
started breaking when was the first time
well two questions did you already have
the name Ajax at that point and second
did you was that when you got in a crew
or when when did that happen
no no we didn't even like back then like
we didn't even know what it like a b-boy
name was or no you know I'm saying so I
didn't come until like later later later
on and like that should just came just
you know naturally someone says like
yeah yeah so I don't want to get too
detailed with it but I had another
nickname that people were calling me and
they said call me swamp so I mean if you
guys smoke weed and like you know what a
swamp is so people used to call me that
for a while and like it was whatever and
then yeah we're just I don't know we're
somewhere like I think it was like
sophomore or high school or something
like that and we're just breaking
whatever whatever and then my friend
Nick just started calling me ajax ajax
mat clean you know and he was like
trying to rap back then so he'd always
like incorporate like our names or
whatever into his little freestyle
ability huh why did he choose that name
so i know i don't know i was guessing
maybe cuz your name is Anthony and he's
exactly something and he's like cleaning
his floor what I think I was pretty much
it and then he'd be like oh you know
something something like he don't in
select a free saw or whatever like that
and it just stuck like I was never like
you know call me like that I always
thought that shit was whack when you're
like I'm a b-boy windmill you better
call me b-boy when my boys come over
with some corny ass name before
intricate something you know you're like
whatever bro names Tom or whatever cuz
like my name Kurt the hurt I always
thought that was like a stupid-ass name
and you remember frack will yeah yeah
yeah yeah that full started calling me
that because we were all into like
wrestling it's
and so he was like oh yeah if you were
wrestler you'd be this and shit and I'm
like oh that's kind of tight but I'm not
a wrestler yeah I always felt like
you're b-boy name like somebody was
supposed to like give it to you yeah I'm
saying rather than like rather than like
you come up with it is corny yeah
they're not incredible yeah I mean cuz
realistically like a nickname like even
like family nicknames you know yeah
people have family nicknames and it's
like normally given to you by a family
member and they call you you know oh
yeah you know junebug or whatever the
fuck yeah your nickname is and that's
like a family and it sticks with you
yeah but I mean that's how Ajax came oh
there's the owners to the studio she's
she's cool okay well yeah I just she
just came in like it stuck you know and
then even now it's like for the most
part like depending on what the
circumstance is like I'll introduce
myself as Ajax yeah obviously not like
on a job interview or something like
yeah you know like if I'm somewhere and
somebody's like oh yeah this is Anthony
I'm like oh you know my friends call me
Ajax yeah that's what I'd rather go by
yeah I feel like everyone was like
goofing on me to like get everyone to
call me Kurt the hurt and then everybody
started calling me that and I still
don't introduce myself as that but I
mean it's stuck I mean like it grew on
me for sure yes so I'm like okay and
then especially if you're you're
answering a jam you might you know yeah
something that kind of stands out you
know Kurt to hurt was insanity of
insanity and actually dope I think it's
dope man I forget who gave him that name
it was whatever but I think it was like
back when Vince Carter was like sanity
I'm wrong one of those fucking Vince
sanity Nikes
Vince Carter I never got him dang is
that full still in the NB bro he's still
playing dude I think he's a bit I don't
know how old is he 50 something he's
probably doing something
you know he's probably like close to
that's kind that's crazy
yeah I'm damn near 40 so he has to be
like you know I mean yet to be yeah
competing at like a level that he's at
NBA dude like you through and stuff and
you're like oh that's crazy yeah I think
he's been in the league for like 20
years bro I know he's got to be the
oldest oh yeah that's crazy
he never won a title I think right no no
and then last year Toronto just got
there that's probably salty like I was
trying to get that yeah I for still
Dunkin though yeah yeah he's crazy
that's crazy I know yeah he was with he
was with the Kings and he was like
dunking on fools yeah and I was like
dang this old-ass dude I don't know
where he's at now
Kings man actually I can't even really
speak on Kings cuz I'm kinda employed by
them still dude I like man the Kings
frustrate me a little bit cuz it's like
I was hyped this season and then they
were like running at like no 9th in the
West or whatever it is like oh dude
they're gonna be they're gonna make
playoffs this year now they're like yeah
tank down so I'm like come on man I'll
just say this they they Malouf to us
again yeah it feels like that yeah I
because you were you're on the squad win
remember when they were like no hatin on
there and it kind of did the same thing
this all for real I mean it is what it
is like you know it's it's it's cool
doing that stuff but then at the same
time it's like yeah it's a job yeah and
I mean yeah you got it like just treat
it as a job and literally they literally
want you there like all day it's like
yeah yeah you know cuz I did games for
the Kings and then I also did games for
the Warriors and it's similar how they
kind of run they run those teams
similarly but then they're very
different from each other because like
it felt like with the Kings fresh
out to him he uh he would like kind of
let us kind of do what we wanted to
exactly and then with the Warriors they
they kind of like they're like we like
this do that yeah so we always had to
like you know do some head spins or
whatever when I come on here I'm sick of
this shit but I mean the shows that you
guys were doing they looked dope like
you know like from a fan's perspective
like yeah you know I think fans enjoyed
it and stuff and and I think it was fun
to do them and stuff but I know a lot of
us are like oh we want to do some other
stuff like we wanted to add in some
things that maybe didn't wouldn't go so
well over you like we wanted to make it
more of a b-boy show or we we even
wanted to add some popping in a little
bit and we're like I don't know if
that's gonna like translate to the you
know to that stage cuz right you got a
like you got to think about the person
that's in there like nosebleed section
trying to see you and it's like
someone's there doing like a wave or
whatever and they're like standing there
you you got to have some like spinning
crap so that they they can see it which
so I understand that and I think you
know I think we did what we needed to do
to like do that and they're still out
there doing that to b-boy precise he's
he's like running he's the like main guy
yeah he's the main guy he's like he's
kind of like I don't know or whatever
yeah yeah I remember um they had a
battle the first time they were um like
basically auditioning people for the
Warriors thing they did a battle and
when I was in rock force shad also raw
force yeah so it was like I think it was
me
machine Jonny and Kareem we ended up
winning like the competition okay and
like we were like one of the first I
don't know if they they had another team
prior to us but we were like one of the
first ones back then to like break for
the Warriors oops okay
yeah I remember I think I remember that
because I remember I think I remember
rich was doing some games
it might have been after you did it but
like like some renegades dudes were
there yeah I was gonna say I don't mean
cut off renegades but it was us and
renegades okay we ended up winning
okay actual battle but renegades was
part as part of this squad as well okay
so and and I think they might have
picked I think rich might have been in
there cuz I think they might have needed
like a certain amount of guys on the
squad or something like that yeah so it
was like rock force renegades and then
there could have been some other cats in
there as well it was around I don't
remember the year but it was definitely
one like the Warriors were really bad
the team was trashed but yeah but and I
remember like finesse was there from
renegades I think I think Iron Monkey
was on there as well milestone was there
and yeah I think Iron Monkey was there
yeah I remember there's a whole bunch of
people all these Bay Area like heavy
hitters were like out there doing these
this show for like a team that was
really bad
ya know it was crazy too because we only
did like I don't know a couple games a
month or whatever like that yeah and so
we would commute out there me and cream
from sack and it's kind of like I mean
it was worth it because the pay was
decent yeah yeah and you know back then
just to kind of get some exposure or
whatnot like that it was cool I always
looked at it like man I just like
braking and performing and stuff and so
if someone's gonna pay me for a dope
yeah straight up I mean that's probably
not the greatest way to think about it
in terms of like business but it's I
don't know I was looking at it as a
blessing to get paid while you're you
know having fun really sorry my freakin
jobs texting me from like bro off today
is like because the scene from when you
started to now has changed drastically
in like what what is your opinion about
it and like what do you think is good
what do you think is bad and like and I
guess like where do you see it going
from here
and so like when we first started like
like it wasn't even like jams well they
were jams but they weren't competitions
like there was never like you'd go to
somewhere and like there'd be a
competition for five hundred dollars or
whatever you know what I mean it was
just a jam you go there cypher and
battle like it was never like you know
come when you get hurt and you know I
mean yeah it wasn't that it was just
like it was normally like a hip-hop show
were like some MC or whoever was
performing k RS one or whoever was you
know I mean yeah yeah at Sac State or
whatever and like everyone would go
there break battle and like that was it
it was never like a competition some
organized thing yeah
yeah and then like the competitions came
which was cool because it brought people
from different areas like I remember
roxrite would always be out here soul
control like Charles and all those guys
okay
they'd all be out here gee-whiz and
stunts used to come out here all the
time
I saw she was the other day actually oh
yeah yeah yeah so shadocg was I guys man
those guys have always been solid like
from the beginning like they've never
like changed or anything like that but
yeah it was just like you go to a
building whatever it was and like you
just battle Seifer you know I mean and
like that was kind of it now music it's
playing and it happens we're breaking
full yeah it's not but now it's like I
mean I guess the competition part of it
it took over I think yeah I mean cuz
it's not now it's not just like a dance
party it's really good if we're if we
were throwing to jam today right now
here and was like yo it's 5 bucks to get
in or even free me to get in
just open cyphers live DJ people
probably wouldn't come you know yeah and
cuz they'd be like yeah is there money
like are you doing a cypher prize you
know I mean like yeah people always
nowadays
I don't even think is necessarily about
the money I think people I mean don't
get me wrong like people like a extra
five hundred bucks or whatever it is in
their pocket but I think it's more
people just want to win something and
say they won and like go home and post
something on IG or face or whatever yeah
and you can fucking win $25 and people
were still good no I just want us cipher
or whatever just wanna brag about some
shit which is dope I guess I was ashamed
of myself like people just want to say
they won something or not even one like
attended something I went to a jam in
you know whatever city you know went to
a jam in you know just got back from UK
or whatever it is like people just want
to talk about that shit yeah so I feel
like that's like a big part of the
competition and footage yeah everybody
wants to enter the jam for the footage
and like even profile says oh we don't
footage you know if we go into this gym
or jam or it'll be a good look you know
just to show people and I think a lot of
people just want that and then get the
footage and then post the footage on
their YouTube or IG there's a lot of
promo like yeah nowadays yeah actually
faman breaking is closely tied to like
social media promotion bro like I said
people don't even necessarily even care
about winning like course everybody
wants to win anyone and get a couple
bucks in your pocket to go blow on
whatever you know I'm saying but I think
it's more like people want that content
mm-hmm you know I'm saying they want to
say they went somewhere you know and
they just wanna you know I'm just
basically brag about the shit yeah yeah
yeah yeah social media I mean I think
that's where the scenes and I don't even
necessarily think is breaking but I
think it's just life in general and you
know I think I mean with the competition
scene there is a jam for everybody you
know I'm saying like if you want to do
you know the Red Bull BC One big jam
like on some stage they got that
if you want to do like a smaller not
even smaller but like if you want to do
like a cipher addicts type Jam hmm you
know they have a competition there now
so and but it's more small its intimate
if you want to do that type of thing
they used to have circle kings I don't
think they do that anymore but they used
to have that word was like you know the
raw b-boys were there you know I'm
saying like now they have like a crash
battle or whatever we're like you just
do a big movie call a crash bandicoot or
something like that I think I think they
do that IIb or something yeah I did a
free sausage section so it's somewhere
but I was like oh this is kind of crazy
like just people just throwing the
craziest thing it doesn't matter if they
crash trying to hit like double air
flare one or whatever yeah yeah see who
could hit but there is a jam for
everybody if you want to do but I was
saying about like what was it circle
kings or whatever that was like for the
b-boys like skill methods and those type
of crews were were there was someone
that profound and love radical for
article fours
yeah I want to go to that it looks like
it's fun yeah I mostly want to go
because it's like this beach party thing
it looks kind of fun yes awesome saying
there's an it's a party atmosphere and
like I think that's another jam or like
you know the real raw b-boys go you know
a lot of the guys you know go there so
there's a jam for everybody and then you
know there's small local jams
you know there's fucking stage you know
you can go sit and then in an auditorium
in some seats and just watch it you know
there's you know there's something for
every part jams mm-hmm you know I'm
saying so there's a jam for everybody
there's a competition for everybody
there's money to go around for people
that you know do it for that okay I
don't think necessarily y know you can't
you can't make a living off being a
battle b-boy or competition b-boy unless
you got like a sponsorship or something
and like I know a couple cats that are
you know making some pretty good money
from like monster and shit like that
yeah yeah you know I'm saying which is
dope I think that's dope too it's not
probably not necessarily for me like at
that at this stage in my life you know
I'm saying I mean I don't know do you
think it's good for the scene that that
that there's opportunities to get
sponsored and like it's come becoming
like a I don't know kind of like an
actual sport almost you know I just the
thing is with me and with like the
sponsorship I wish it was like more like
I wish there was more you know I'm
saying cuz I feel like it's just like
monster and like Red Bull you know like
some Preparation H b-boys or whatever
like bro
like there's so many companies out there
that b-boys like represent and like
we're not getting anything like okay for
example like skateboarding yeah yeah
like skateboarders are getting right it
out in a competition like they're making
like I think they did I think skateboard
the skateboarding scene did a lot of
work to get to winner because it's like
in a way they really started out like
b-boys they were just some freakin hood
rat dudes just with a board with wheels
on it and they were like let's do a
kickflip or you know let's just flip the
board and try to land on it and then
okay let's call it kickflip you know and
then eventually they're building crazy
ramps and stuff and then somebody sees
it they're like some sums you like
borrowed their mom's camera and we're
like you know let's go film you like
yeah in the parking lot somewhere just
shredding you know yeah and and I think
breaking is at the point where
skateboarding was was that probably
probably in the 80s or whatever when
when there started to be like some
really good skaters and like the vert
skating started becoming a little more
popular and then like bigger
competitions started coming around and
then they were like a you know there's
something soon there's gonna be
something called the x-games and we got
to get ready for that kind of like how
breaking you know the Olympics is coming
for a break
kind of like you know so they were
getting their act together to uh I guess
have something to actually compete about
yeah because before that you know how do
you even compete in skateboarding it's
you just you know fools
jumping over stuff yeah right and you're
just like what you you're scoring then
like oh that was a five that was it yeah
and it's like how do you even score that
but they figured that out and you know
then that's where like braking is
struggling it with that braking is
struggling at that because I mean it's
largely like an art form and I know
people don't want to like they want to
keep it true to it being an art form and
they're not like but but as soon as you
as soon as you involve money it gets all
better you know yeah everything's out
the window yes
you know there's money to to make lose
whatever so it's like yeah you know and
like I was saying with the sponsorships
like I feel like there should be more
out there like yeah you know I think it
will come just like it came with
skateboarding assuming we all do it
right and enter into the competitive
space at least in the public's eye
correctly but yeah I think if we compare
it to skateboarding it's kind of like
you know who used to sponsor skaters
back then it was like Jamba Juice and
freaking vans yeah that was it and then
you know it started getting popular and
stuff and then X Games came around and
then now it's like if you're any kind of
like active or anywhere like drinking
Mountain Dew sponsor skaters because
it's just like such a big thing it's a
huge market this videos there's freaking
video games there's like you know
commercial I mean there's so much stuff
you know there's legit celebrities that
are skaters you know freaking Tony Hawk
yeah oh yeah I just feel like there
should be more like I mean whatever
company Red Bull Monster whoever like if
you're gonna sponsor like you know one
of you know individuals like why not
just I mean you're a multi-billion
dollar corporation like if you really
want to be down with like the scene like
yeah you know I mean why not like spread
that out throughout the whole scene yeah
I mean not saying every jam but I mean I
think well I think they probably look at
it I mean they do look at it from a
business perspective and they go like
well when we put money into it we need
to see a return from these people buying
our products or whoever buying our
product and so I think they look at
breaking in there like it's a largely a
small community of people in it and so
we were basically marketing to them yeah
but I think breaking in the next like
five years is approaching a place where
it's not just a small community anymore
kind of like how mixed martial arts like
grew from like this people that people
that were just into like people fighting
in cages and yeah and now it's like this
huge freaking sport UFC all over the
place yeah and you got like casual fans
in a way you know right so I think once
breaking gets to the point where there's
like casual fans and it appeals to them
dude they're gonna be like yo there's
money to be made here because we can
market to those it's funny that you said
the Olympics so always listening to like
sports talk radio the other morning yeah
and I forget what show it was but one of
the guys was like oh yeah they did a
poll about like the Olympics or whatever
and I guess they asked like X amount of
people if they thought breaking should
be in the Olympics it was like 50
something percent of the people said no
a shitty so I mean basically that's
telling telling me that like the regular
American or regular person doesn't
necessarily give a fuck about breaking
yeah you know I'm saying and or they
might not even know what it what's it
all about
- it could be but yeah like they don't
give a fuck and basically us breakers
kind of need to just get over ourselves
really
yeah for sure cuz I mean you see every
day on the not every day but every
couple of weeks somebody will like oh
you know the Olympics
like yeah like in the grands like schema
thing like people like you're just a kid
fucking spinning on your head somewhere
you don't mean like that's what the
average you know American or whoever
that's kind of how they see it you know
in like you we got people on a worldwide
level bickering over you know whether or
not the breaking should be in the
Olympics
yeah and realistically I don't think
people really give a fuck you know yeah
yeah no III agree I think I think
probably most people half the people who
hear oh do you want breaking in the
Olympics a'ight what the hell is
breaking apart is and other people are
like oh that shit that doesn't exist
anymore like it died out in the 80s or
whatever and then so I don't know what
the way I look at it is like there's an
opportunity that we can all seize but if
we if we just let it kind of roll by us
most people aren't gonna care it's gonna
it's gonna roll past us you know the
Olympics are gonna come breakers are
gonna be in it
nobody's gonna watch it and then it's
gone so but it's a good opportunity to
do feel like that what's what's up yeah
it'll be like that category that's on
like at two o'clock in the morning or
something like that yeah shuffleboard or
whatever and breaking I think that's
probably what's gonna happen original
initially yeah and if it doesn't spark
up any attention it's gonna stay there
and it probably won't come back for the
next Olympics but I think if the
community like seizes the opportunity in
the right way maybe you can get some
attention from that and then get get
more people because like I said you need
to get some casual fans yeah there
because you know otherwise it's not
really a sport it's just like this hobby
that a lot of people you know I mean not
even a lot of people but people are just
like into and it's just a very nice
thing to be into so I think I think it's
a cool opportunity I don't want to hate
on it because I I think it's it's
something new and it could help build
the scene it but it could also help tear
apart the scene but it's all about how
we all approach it yeah I mean I think
yeah with the with the b-boy scene not
even beat like hip-hop scene in general
I think there's like so much infighting
yeah in every in every element there's
something you know some you know DJs
it's like somebody's bickering about
something oh yeah you know I'm saying
even with breaking like right now like
the hot topic now is you know who
created what and win oh yeah you know
and it's like realistically bro like
when it comes to history of anything
like there's always two you know two
sides you know yeah this started here
this happened here and then somebody's
like no this is what happened or this is
what happened or no and breaking is so
young I think everybody forgets that
breaking is so young still that yeah
like right I mean right it's maybe 50
years old whereas you look at something
like ballet is freaking mm-hmm I don't
know how long old but thousands of years
old or some shit right yeah I mean it's
old
so dude we're in the beginning stages a
hundred years from now if people are
still breaking they're gonna they're
gonna they're gonna look at my era your
era Crazylegs era as the same era
because it's seriously like only a few
years apart in in retrospect yes I mean
like you said it's like we can't even we
can't even come up with what am I trying
to say like we can't even agree on terms
of like moves yeah I mean like in
skateboarding like a kickflip is a kick
flip yeah you know I'm saying like
that's what it is like in breaking you
know flair Thomas flair you know I mean
it's like yeah yeah what is it Thomas
flavor flair or you know halos track you
know I mean like what's the name of the
move like we can't really do we can't
even agree on that
and so you know yeah yeah I don't know
how to really go you know fixed that I
think it's so like you mentioned rock
force and being in rock force you've
actually you're like a pretty decorated
Vee boy in terms of like the stuff
you've done because I mean you've
wrapped like a lot of well-known big
influential crews such as rock fours
floor gangs mighty Zulu Kings times flex
Flav who else are you with well so I'm
gonna start off my original crew so the
two crews that really really got me like
into like battling and stuff like that
the first crew that we started was
called crucial crucial Empire mm-hmm
okay
crucial Empire or crucial elements
that's what we thought was like our
first crew that we started and it was
basically kind of like before like super
crew like before like super crews are
like you're trending it was basically
guys from like this Sacramento area that
we thought were like dope and it was
like guys from like Rancho Cordova like
Folsom okay like guys from South sac
like all over where were you at that
time at that time I had moved an inch
Sacramento BRR I live basically all over
sag like so I was kind of like and that
was one thing that like kind of kept me
out of trouble was breaking yeah I'm
saying like when I started like my
parents were like they basically they
divorce or whatever so it's kind of like
you know staying with my mom Sam on my
dad yeah and they both lived in
different parts that sounded like my mom
lived in Sacramento like the art in like
arcade area yeah and my dad lived in
Rancho ok
so when I say what my mom for a while so
I was like like busing it like
from art in arcade area to Hiram Johnson
because that's where I went to school
that so I sang my mom and then she
wasn't working out my mom you know I
mean you know how it is you're a young
man you think you know everything so
she's like dad they can chase you
basically yep so get you're at you know
you're gonna go stare your dad and
fucking Rancho so I was like all right
so anyways so I was living in Rancho and
that's when I got down with a crucial
empire from show Empire crucial elements
whatever we had kind of like two names
or whatever well like I said we had guys
from like Folsom my boy Greg bond he
lived in Folsom guys from like South sac
Marcella know if you remember you know
more so or so yeah he was in FIFA army
yeah yeah yeah so he was in crucial with
this like and he lived like in fucking
South Area somewhere and then my buddies
from like Rancho so we're kind of all
from from wherever like different parts
of the area whatnot and so that was like
the first like real crew where we were
like you know having crew practices like
we'd go to like we didn't even it wasn't
even like jams back then like people
were throwing like we caught him
breaking parties so basically like say
if it was your birthday or whatever like
you'd have like your garage set up and
like a breaking party
so like people from and it was crazy too
because obviously back then there was
like no youtube or anything like that so
you would just hear about some disease
and this was like late 90s or middle 90s
yeah yeah like mid 90s you know I'm
saying so you didn't there was no
YouTube so you wouldn't you know see
people I mean there was barely like
footage exactly who did you know that
even had a camera exactly and like force
had like you know big-ass fucking
camcorders yeah even then it was like I
mean I remember when I was first
starting me and Vince used to make like
stupid little
like you know comedy skit videos so we
had this like piece-of-shit camera that
we would do do that with and so when we
started breaking we brought it to a
practice and then fools were like giving
us the stink eye like you know what you
doing like are you biting or whatever so
we learned real quick like don't bring
that shit to the practice and so exactly
you know cuz people were people would
fight you you know it you know like you
know actually like stealing their shit
with the camera and stuff so it's like
it was rare to even see a camera at
practice yeah and then like you said
we're biting like back then like when I
was coming up like there was no such
thing as like taking a move and flipping
it yeah just you were just a fucking
biter yeah and like people would call
you in like it would be like you're a
biter yeah yeah and that rep would stick
with you it wasn't you know oh you know
I'm flipping the move or that you know
he influenced me no i motherfucker
you're a biter yeah your mouth flipped
over that and chomped it and people
would like yeah like they would really
want to fight you over yeah you know and
it wasn't just like breaking news it was
like everything like stop yet Chris
Layton what you look rafidhi your
clothes like you know like people they
wouldn't wear the same shoes like it
people will be like have like really try
to be original with everything yeah you
know I'm saying like I have on these
Nikes right here and like if I saw
somebody wearing them like the next week
or next day like I'll call them a biter
like oh no you're biting my style that's
interesting even over a pair of shoes
that are sold at Foot Locker yeah yeah
yeah even in like in our crew like if
somebody had on the same like a pair of
shoes or something like you wouldn't go
buy the same shoes yeah you know like it
could be a pair of Jordans some of you
have the same shoe like nah bro yeah you
know you're biting off you like even
crew members awful you Biden yeah but um
well cuz you're like dude cuz your rep
is tied to their rep to so if it's like
yo you're biting like and now everyone's
gonna be like this whole crews they're
all by yes yeah no we said Dutchess
serious back then man like not saying
that people don't now but I feel like
it's looser
yeah like you know I flipped it in there
like okay I guess yeah I mean it's it's
I don't see people fighting over it
anymore that's that's the that's the big
difference but and and I think because
of that people got looser about it yeah
like wins alas I mean you'll hear people
say call so and so a biter but it'll be
like a whisper yeah so I was a buyer
late you know they won't go confront
nobody because you know nobody wants to
start drama at a jam or whatever
whatever which is understandable
nowadays yeah I think a lot of people up
in there like it's just it's just
dancing it the you know fighting over
that is kind of kind of stupid when you
really put it into perspective also it
it still stings a lot when you see
someone taking your stuff and like you
know I don't know I mean yeah even now
like I mean I look at it in online no I
probably you know influence some of
these guys you know yeah that are all
doing it out of a high level now and
it's just like whatever you know yeah
it's I feel like it's you just gotta
laugh at it at this point yeah because
it's like people are gonna do it and you
know I don't I don't want to say that
biting is okay but also I don't want to
make a huge deal about it because it's
like it doesn't it's not it's just me
complaining at that point it's not doing
any favors to myself you know cuz
they're not gonna stop no no and it is
yeah I mean people aren't losing
competitions because they're dividing
yeah they should be it should be yeah
you know that's a whole different
subject yeah but it's kind of like how
do you even stop how do you stop that
because then that means every judge
needs to like watch every freaking
videotape and it's like sometimes it's
just a judge didn't know and they're
like oh that was a dope move you know
and and b-boy windmill was doing it and
I didn't see Ajax do it ten years ago
but ya know whatever yeah I mean
it's it's a hard subject because I mean
like if you think about plagiarism in
terms of like like in school or
something now they got straight up
programs oh you know submit your essay
or whatever in the program like did it
looks through it it's like oh you stole
this from you know Charles Dickens or
whatever yeah yeah so I don't know yeah
yeah
oh no but back to Crewe so yeah so
crucial and then twisted minds so that
was like my first like real not like
that was a crew that it was like where
it kind of all started
uh-huh and it was basically some of the
guys from from crucial and then we got
some other guys down trying to think
mouki from renegades like he was down
with this he was one of my mentors
actually like like back then like he
really put me up on game as far as like
power moves and shit like that like form
make sure reform was correct I'm saying
so that was he was like a huge influence
for that as far as um you know just
helping me out like that so uh yeah
twisted minds we did twisted minds for
it was it was a good probably I don't
know maybe five or six years like we
were down and like we're slow like those
are still my homeboy still is day like a
lot and I still rep you know twisted
minds or whatnot but uh yeah twisted
minds and then that kind of just fizzled
out like you know people just you know
had jobs because we were you know 1819
around that time so people were you know
having kids working getting into other
shit and then we just kind of fizzled
out and then I kind of like wait stop
stop breaking for a little
I was like around like 98 99 like 2000
ish kind of slowed down with breaking
sorry
you know getting to other bullshit are
you already out of high school at that
time right yeah yeah so I was like you
know senior year high school it's kind
of like started dying out getting in the
other shit other bullshit shit I
probably shouldn't have been really
fucking with ya and then I remember I
think I had my first my kid - my
daughter okay oh yeah so you know I had
a kid I had a kid you know you know I
was still out fucking around or whatever
you know and I had ran into somebody I
remember who was one of my friends was
like oh we're gonna go to a jam at Sac
State or whatever and I was like all
right I'll go chill you know maybe mess
around or whatever like on the side and
cipher or whatever and then I ran into
Abe mm-hmm and I haven't seen him for a
while and he's like oh you know he's so
dance and I was like no I'm just kind of
chilling or whatnot
and then you know how Abe is you should
start practicing yeah she can't you know
come to my lair basically so yeah I
started practicing with him and then
kind of started getting back into the
scene again and then that's when flex
was starting to come around and then
yeah it was like Marcus Abe no this was
before
oh really rollin J really like when they
first started it so they had flex going
and I was still just kind of practicing
with aving them or whatever and then I
don't even remember how it happened but
I ended up getting down with flex and
this was like early early early on so
got down with flex and then you know we
were rocking for a while
Maschine ended up getting down skittles
that's one well I think he was already
in yeah but like not really like taking
it serious or ever but then started
training with them and then yeah we did
flex for a while and then and then
eventually well because then you guys
were doing some big events I remember
and yeah we're doing like freestyle like
we did freestyle session we did like
some b-boys some answers yeah we did
b-boy summit I think twice about killing
fornia against flex oh yeah oh dang
battle yeah we're like remember that
we're killing them in yeah and so then
after that you've got it was around
freestyle session a8 you got down with
rock force yeah
and so then you were rolling with them
for a while right yeah so in Maschine it
was that day actually okay that we got
down with rock force because we lost to
fuck I wanna say California again I
think we lost oh I remember that because
I was there I was like frickin barely in
high snow I was maybe a sophomore in
high school I think you know so I went
to that gym that was like the first big
game I ever went to and I remember you
guys battling there and I think that's
probably right when I met Abe - yeah we
lost - yeah I want to say California and
I think it was like it might even no I
don't want to say semis like I don't
think we got that far but we got like
yeah I'm pretty like it wasn't like a
prelim back no it was I remember you
guys it might have been sim eyes because
yes I think we'd be like the Canadian
crew for first round I believe and then
it might have been I don't know but
anyways like of course we were pissed
you know like loss or whatever and then
it was funny because Johnny and Kareem
had entered with it so it was like yeah
rock force
let's flavor whatever yeah and then and
then they they just wanted now Rumi was
with you guys too right
oh yeah she might have been yeah well I
think she was yeah from crucian now
she's in another crew I don't know yeah
I think she was with this oh yeah she's
that not room he was with you guys
pretty so yeah we lost her ever and then
yeah the whole time I mean Rock forest
wanted me a machine to get down so it
was like already kinda in the works or
whatever and then even with that like I
was telling them like back then I was
like you know I'm gonna get down with
rock force but like yeah this is flex
Flav like whatever I'll do sound like it
you know this is my crew you guys are my
first you guys are priority yeah I'm
gonna rep you guys before anything else
and then they were just kind of like
like it wasn't really tripping so much I
think he was more like heartbroken yeah
yeah yeah I think he was more like like
yeah just fucking kind of felt like
betrayed or something maybe and it
wasn't like that for me like god I never
like I never was breaking like for fame
or til I get in a famous crew or
anything like that like I mean
realistically like every b-boys dream I
feel like when they're coming up is to
get into three crews either rock steady
rock force or style elements like I feel
like those three crews like here at
least four back then yeah I mean it
still could probably be now but I like
those three crews for me was like if you
you know get him one of those crews like
you you know you made it yeah like as
far as like your rap or whatnot yeah
okay and even for Rocksteady like there
was a time where I was trying to get in
Rocksteady and like Abe was like
petitioning
some of the Vegas like Rocksteady guys
like to get me in this was when I was in
flexed okay so um yeah I was like oh you
know rock steady would be dope me down
with like the West Coast chapter would
not and that really never came you know
came into rotation and I don't even know
if a was like being real or if he was
just kind of like you know just trying
to hop you know hold on like rock steady
rock steady once you down or okay you
know I'm saying so um well y'all was
telling I was like yo like you know I'm
gonna be flex flex play of like you know
that's what it is and like how rock for
us on the side or whatnot and then yeah
they like you know it was we were doing
it for a while and like I was trying to
come to practice and shit for flex and
they're just like cold shoulder I was
like I'm like right like I'm trying here
yeah yeah and then then I had went to a
practice and then they were basically
like nah bro you're kicked out oh I
think it was like Morris and like Morris
in future or something like that
shoutouts oh my god Morris yeah he just
got back from a tour with the Nutcracker
hip hop Nutcracker he said it was dope
so out there cracking nuts yeah shout
outs of that guy he was over here the
other night practicing but anyway that's
all that happened with flex and rock for
us and then you know you rolled with
rock force after that and oh we skipped
mzk but we we can skip mzk though
because I mean I got a couple guys in
that crew that you know that are still
cool but you know I don't know they kind
of I don't know I got kicked out or put
on promotion like some bullshit
yeah well cuz I remember you were like
one of the first people downwind
oh yeah like nests like rebranded it or
whatever you know when that flexible
Flav was like we were the first like
guys to get in
mzk like you said when NASA brought that
shit back out it happened that we were
at the furious Styles anniversary okay
and we went out there it was like me
Dietrich's Abe I'm gonna say karma was
with us I think Marcus was there too and
we went out there and won the one then
jam or whatever Ness was judging is like
you oughta get in it was like yeah was
Dookie wasn't my T's no it was it was
just regular Zulu Zulu Kings and then
whatever whatever they kicked John he's
like oh we need to get that mighty now
yeah so anyways um yeah
so I got kicked out or put on probation
which was whatever to me like I didn't
really but um there's some guys in there
that I'm still cool if I mean they got
an army I'm saying of guys in the crew
but yeah there's some cats I know that
I'm so cool with and I'm so cool with
Nestor this day it's not like we have
any yeah no no no and he was a huge
influence on me as well so it's like
shout-out to nest to and so then yeah so
Rock force then you were rolling with
them for a long time and I know you did
some like crap ton of battles when you
were there cuz like I feel like that's
when you really like started blowing up
on like an international level a little
bit like cuz you repped with them in
like ibe and I know you you guys were
there at like that one freestyle session
honestly bro we did we did a lot of
battles with rock force and like I'm
grateful still grateful yes I mean
probably I mean no is like maybe I
would've got some international gigs
without them but I mean they gave me my
first international gig so exposure yeah
yeah so like I'm grateful but as far as
like skill wise and battling wise like I
think when I was in flexible play
I think that's when I was really like oh
that was hungry okay mice like I feel
like my skills and just all-around like
battle presence was really there
okay I'm saying like not saying I wasn't
hungry when I was in rock forest I just
think the pressure was like hard to like
he you know carry on carry on that name
in that tradition of the rock war so it
was like it kind of took a toll hmm when
we reflects like we had nothing to lose
yeah it's kind of like you're the
underdog and it's like everyone assumes
you are wack and so it's like let's
prove them all exactly and then you're
now rock force and it's like everyone's
looking at you like you know these are
the big dogs in here so and and it was
always like you're in that shadow and
you know people be at you know words
reveal like I don't know where's Iron
Monkey so yeah you know people will be
asking that because that's who they saw
for all those years
yeah you know I'm saying so it was kinda
Gerald yeah Gerald rest in peace peace
but I feel like when I was in Flex like
that's when I was like probably like the
hungriest and like I was really really
really trying to like make a name for
myself and for the crew
you know I'm saying like I felt like you
know and like I said we didn't have
anything to lose you just left it all
out on the dance floor and it you know I
mean cuz obviously like if I was doing
you know I was doing something right for
rock force that come and fucking yeah
yeah so but I mean as far as like jams
with with the rock force oh yeah we did
a total session was the first one with
that we did and I was at 3v3 me cream
and machine and that was yeah that was
my first international trip mm-hmm
Grenoble France so we did that that was
dope
the fucking the
it was crazy like it was basically like
super long flight you know you land
barely have time to go check into the
hotel and then boom it was like the
first it was like a three-day even I
think so the first day they had like a
top rock top rock competition footwork
competition and then they had something
else so you know automatically like you
know I'm doing the footwork even because
I was like heavy on footwork back then
so you know I'm doing the footwork and
machines doing the top rock
so we basically landed went to the hotel
dropped our shit off maybe changed and
went straight to the competition so
first day got to the competition
footwork battle I entered I ended up
making it to the semifinals I believe
and I lost to David Cola I can't
remember he's an OG from over there oh
yeah I recognize any I can't remember
what crew he's down with I want to say
like actual forces yeah but it's
probably not it's probably not I mean I
play he's from that era yeah oh oh gee
from over there and who's like I lost to
him and I was kind of like you know you
know how it is like you think you won
and like you know I probably did but you
know they I I could they probably
weren't gonna let me beat him in France
like I'm still kind of like unknown yeah
I mean it was a dope experience though
because I think we did like a tiebreaker
or something like that oh yeah I mean
that's a big deal though like if you're
in someone's home town and that's their
dude and you're getting a tie-break oh
that means like all them judges like oh
dude this fool won but so if we need we
need our guy to win yeah and I don't
even remember who the judges were back
then yeah but anyways so we did that and
then
Sheen did the top rock battle and I
think he ended up winning but it was
kind of same deal with him he did like a
couple tie breakers or something like
that but ended up winning that which was
dope
was that the one where he battled this
French dude Matias yeah because I
remember Matias was like killing it back
then and yeah there was like this really
crazy battle between him and yeah and I
think they were um I think it was um
maybe it was like ibe or something like
a couple years later maybe that same
year they kept like they had like a
rivalry or something going uh-huh yeah
like it was I feel like because that was
when machine was with the b-boy world he
was like always in France battling and
stuff and it seemed like every time he
was there it was like Mateus lik would
come out of the shadows and just like
I'm coming for you and then it was like
a battle Oh again it's a machine versus
Matthias ed yeah yeah I think that yeah
and we say what yeah it was like the
b-boy with the first one b-boy world.com
team or whatever when like Omar and all
them were on there
yeah I was only machine I think he
actually moved to Texas for a while and
well there's live turkeys yeah because
he was with them a little bit and then
the Omar was on a team and Ronnie I
think and Ben yeah yeah and speedy yep
that's right yeah I mean somebody else
there was a bunch of them well I think
no key was on there - yeah yeah there's
there's a lot of people team ones that
it's weird to look back at that time
because at that moment it was like I
feel like there was no sponsor team
right at that point and then you see
this like website basically sponsoring a
team to come out and like win every gem
and now it's kind of like it's so normal
you say that's the norm now it's like
every energy drink has a freaking - I
mean they're all rolling through it like
when the other energy drinks competition
yeah so so yeah we did total total
session was the first international jam
and that was kind of like when Rock
like the resurgence came I guess or
whatever yeah and then we did after that
recession in London I think we did then
we did some other shit we did a jam in
Korea I can't remember the name but we
got smoked mmm got smoked by gamblers so
like we have you were like killing it
yeah so I mean there was some jams were
was like we were up there like as far as
like talent wise and then I think just
towards the end we just kind of like
fizzled out you know and like other
crews are like you know like yeah like
they were like not saying we weren't a
real crew but there was like me and
cream in Sacramento Machine profe Oh Rob
miles they're all in the bay so it was
like we weren't really like joining it a
little bit and we weren't really like
practicing practicing like that
and like we were doing these
international battles like on some high
level shit you know against you know
gamblers top nine you know crew is like
that and it was like you know we're just
getting smoked and then like it kind of
like that was kind of like the downfall
cause you know how it is like when
you're winning everything's good
yes soon as you start losing it's just
like a sports team yes soon as soon as
they start losing you know she starts
coming out you know LeBron James isn't
happy he wants to trade you know yeah
yeah that's it it's same same with the
Brighton that happens with breaking like
on that like but realistically it kind
of I mean it does but it's like it's not
you know you don't have Steven Naismith
like he's going over here or whatever
he's mad yeah but it's kind of like that
and that's kind of what what it was like
you know we lost a couple and it was
like it was a couple jams in a row I'm
probably skipping around like years in
shape but it was
like at least like for jams in a row
like we lost and we're just like wow you
know just get smacked and we were
getting smoked to like I mean I guess
when you watched footage you're like oh
you know it's a close battle but when
you're in the battle you're like hey I
hate that feeling cuz because it breaks
you cuz you're like cuz you go into it
you're like oh like even like say you go
into really hyped and you're like oh
we're gonna win this and then some dude
just just some wild ass shit and you're
like oh yeah you know it's kind of like
when Mike Tyson lets that quote that
Mike Tyson said everybody has a plan
till you get yeah kind of like we're
gonna win this shit yo that dude just
punched you in the face in Psych oh crap
everybody's looking around like on the
battle line and shit like well who's
gonna get that one like that's that's
when you already lost yeah and
definitely if you walked into the battle
going like yo we're gonna get smoked and
you already lost everybody's fuckin
panicking shit open around fuckin fuckin
up on routines but um yeah so it's kind
of like that and that was just kind of
like the downfall like losing those jams
and then we're just kind of like and
like shit you know I'm saying like we
got to take a step back you know how it
is it's like yeah people start fucking
you know choosing sides and Oh looking
up and doing this that any other and it
was just kind of like I think the final
straw was us we battled Rocksteady at
that I think was like frenemies or
something oh I think that was the name
of the jam oh and it was like a rock
steady tour where they went to like all
the cities like like major cities and
like they battle like whatever crew you
know I'm saying yeah I think I remember
I think I remember seeing footage of
that guys the jam was called frenemies I
believe and it was like they did a tour
and like I know that because we battled
in LA and then they did like I can't
remember what other cities they did
maybe like I don't know fucking Texas or
you know somewhere in Texas or whatever
like that yeah
but anyways something hat came up and I
think Crazy Legs posted something like
yo we're coming to LA and we're looking
for you know a crew to battle and of
course
Cena nobody wanted to do it we'll do it
rock forest and like we were looking at
the like the crews from the other other
cities like oh you know we can smoke
them you know yeah okay fuck dude we
went to LA they bought they brought like
the top like the hitters like it was
like Jerome ski when flea rock was in
rock steady so was that when flea rock
was wearing this like head to toe blue
outfit he was like going on he had the
beat Street Street Street outfit he had
- it on yeah okay I was like flea rock
Jerome ski was with I want to say
technique it was like a it was like a
killer squad fever one I believe I can't
remember who else but I remember we got
smoked like that hello bad and like I
think that was just the final straw
everyone was like fuck this shit oh that
must feel like it was kind of I kind of
feel like it was a setup - at the same
time like legs made sure like he had
like yeah it's a statement like the
squad yeah you know I'm saying like
we're the only rock in town yeah he like
wanted to smoke as bad yeah I mean yeah
there was like it seemed like there was
some tension or something I think it was
um might have been a little while
something had happened
like I think legs and Paul hat maybe how
to misunderstand your
something-something so we wanted to make
a statement
mhm and like we were dumb like we didn't
I mean we took it serious but we didn't
really take it as serious as we should
like we fucking went and we ate like
some L&L barbeque before or so
motherfuckers walked into the jam like
yeah sleepy and shit yeah Lee Rock
rolled through with this beat street
outfit in you're like oh damn dude I
gotta take it yeah you know like
you're just bullshitting you know I'm
saying you can't you can't go into a
battle like that you know coming off
eating some barbecue chicken and fleas
like hitting some crazy ass drills so I
don't know and like yeah the same thing
like like you said the Mike Tyson quote
like they came out and just banned
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looking around and shit and just like I
feel like it's it's kind of important to
get smoked though cuz it like reframes
your mind a little bit because you could
be walking around thinking you're the
shit and that was probably part of it
too like we might have been like like a
little like like I said we looked at the
prior cities and like we can smoke them
you probably like a little bit too cocky
going into it and then not even that
like when you're in a crew like that
like if it's not like organically put
together it shows you know I'm saying
you don't necessarily have the chemistry
yeah you know I feel like a lot of times
with rock force the chemistry just
wasn't there you know and you can even
sense like our practices sometimes you
know I'm saying oh I see like cats ain't
necessarily trying to build and I'm not
gonna say like I didn't like come up
when we thought whoa when I was with
rock force but like the chemistry wasn't
really there and like like I'm saying
like I practice it was kind of like
we're not building we're just kind of
like showing each other up you know I'm
saying
Octus or showing off like okay yeah it's
kind of like a competition between each
other but it's not like you're building
with each other
run in there same like battle sets that
you know you can hit and more focus
ain't necessarily try a new shit you
know yeah you're not learning you're not
doing anything new yeah I mean yet to
build the chemistry you kind of need to
be a little bit like what's the word
like I feel like you got to be
vulnerable vulnerable yeah exactly
you got to be vulnerable so you got to
be like trying some new stuff and then
you're probably going
Crash's and your homies gonna be like oh
that was cool except you crashed like
just do it and try to put your hand here
whatever I catch it next time but yeah
but if you're like oh I can't let him
see me crash or whatever then it's all
bad yeah you're not yeah you know I'm
building you're just trying to show off
yeah it was kind of that a lot of the
times and it was like I think that like
translated into the battles we were like
constantly battling battling battling
like we weren't like you know let's do
two jams take some time off like regroup
like bigger shit out it wasn't it wasn't
that and it was like a lot of bickering
and like I said like I don't want to
make it seem like this was only a rock
force because this happens and it
happens in every crew yeah it's I feel
like yeah if you don't if you if the
crew doesn't have like this solid bond
like outside of breaking and like yeah
those kind of things that are gonna
happen in a crew are gonna start tearing
it up a little bit so yeah so I
definitely experienced that kind of
thing all the time and then I think like
me Myles and Provo we kind of fucked
with rock fours just towards the end of
it we did like a couple jams and then
we're just kind of like fucking miles
ended up getting down with renegades and
then me and pro4 were just kind of like
on some solo shit and we were just still
building with each other as far as like
entering jams and shit like that and
just you know keeping in touch training
every once in a while and then he ended
up going on a tour like some fucking he
went to Asia for like that was like six
months or something he's gone for a
while and he was like keeping in contact
with me I remember cuz he didn't have a
cell phone and shit but he was like
always hit me up on Facebook yeah oh you
know is everything good like okay that's
you training blah blah blah yeah I'm
still training Bulevar you know whatever
and then I remember he hit like he
posted something about getting down with
floor gangs and I was like I was like
four games I was like all Koreans or
some shit and then like he was
with them for hella long and then
finally he came back home hit me f1 was
like yo I'm down with floor gangs like
I'm gonna start a crew out here me you
and then obviously he's gonna get his
brother Rob like it'll just be us wasn't
Marlon in it too from having more oh I
think he was like the first one actually
down with I from America at least I
remember I think I think he so this is
what happened profile had got down and
then Marlon had win over there somewhere
I think Sam kind of deal did like a tour
in Asia or something like that and
another chapter had put him down so it
was like it was after profile was down
yeah so I mean I don't even know if he
still reps I think he does I mean I
think he's on one of our like group
chats or something like that but I don't
know if you like I don't even know if he
breaks anymore I think he's like poetry
yeah I think he's still like it's down
but you know how it is like yeah cats
are doing other shit these days but
anyways so yeah he's like you know you
want to get down I was like whoa I mean
if you're of course like all rock with
you regardless like I don't care about
the other shit you know all the politics
side of it yeah if we're gonna do
something out here at least we'll have
something rep yeah you know it's not
just profile in Ajax you know we got a
little crew so it would just mean him in
floor gangs for good like three four
years bro and then rob of course but you
know Rob wasn't doing competitions or
whatever like that so we do two V twos
trying to just train together or like
jump in with crews and then trying to
think the first like big battle we did
was in LA was the Battle of the year it
was like a 2 V 2 to V 2 but it was at
the Battle of the year like qualifier
and it was me yeah we did that that was
the first time we came out like his
floor gangs
remember so we did that and we ended up
losing I want to say it was a semis to
Palmer and Jeremy his brother yeah he
lost to them and it was a dope battle
like I think that was like the first
time where people were like oh shit like
Russell and Jack's like those fools are
kilt like they're back you know what I
mean they're back like they're killing
it like they're not rock for us no more
you know I mean that's hype yeah yeah
and like we killed it that day and like
people like oh yeah you know the typical
I thought you guys want or you know oh
yeah whatever whatever or you guys were
killing it like that type of deal but um
yeah it was just the two of us were like
good three or four years and then I kept
telling all my dude we got to get some
people down because you're in the bay
I'm in sack like like if we don't get
like try to like you know get this crew
moving like it's just gonna be the two
of us and yeah you know and we were both
kind of like picky on who we wanted and
shit like that like because we didn't
want to you know basically like start
like a super crew or anything like that
like we didn't want we wanted to we
wanted it to happen like organically
oasis and so it took a while for us to
get people down and then that's how the
veins and all them goddamn is because I
was teaching them here I was teaching
them here okay and then I was selling
profiles like dude I was like I got some
students bro dude like he was like how
old is he
I feel like he's an eighth grade or
something and he hits hitting some air
flare windmills or whatever is like dude
this little kid is freaking yeah when I
started teaching those fools I think
they were like yeah 13 14 they weren't
driving that's for sure because their
parents were like dropping them off here
at the studio or whatever like that and
then um yeah I was like profiles like I
got some students bro like they're still
like green and raw but they are talented
you know though you know they listen to
what say like they're not going to be
walling out like
the fuck they want to do you know
they're hungry you know they want to
learn like you know you know our profile
is he's kind of he's stubborn when it
comes to shit like that but I mean like
it it like the patience of it it it
worked so we ended up getting the bangs
down Alex Alvin and then Damien Damien
was coming here as well okay so we got
him down and then it was dope because
Alex and Alvin they're like well we
won't like we want to get down and like
we're you know we're honoured and all
that dope opportunity but we want you
guys to take our crew members with this
for they were there for magnet still
floor magnets they're like you know we
want you guys to bring like our crew
members with you know in the crew and
now I was like alright because they all
came here and practice anyways and like
I knew him so I was like that's
honorable yeah it's time for you guys if
you like to go to bring your people with
you yes I mean they could have just been
like all right like it wasn't like for
gangs it was like doing shit anyways
back yeah so it wasn't like they're like
jumping up to it like a better crew they
were just basically like you know
getting down with another crew and
repping another Korea okay so that's
hype of thing so yeah we took we took
Alex
Alvin Damian Kennedy and Jerry floor
magnates like those were like the first
guys that we got down and then we were
just rocking with them and we weren't
even root like we did a couple of small
battles we did like a 3v3 here in sac I
think we did Larry's freestyle session
Sactown sacks haunt underground
qualifier we lost that one to things
like a little rock and somebody else but
yeah we just did like small gems here
and there we didn't really do a lot of
jams honestly yeah okay so we were
walking with them for
year or two and I was like you know we
got to get some more people down and
then that's when I got Kobe down and I
don't remember if it was Sam first or
Kobe but either way we got Kobe Kobe and
Sam down because that's when we're doing
like they're breaking international
thing like the you were it you did
breaking international a couple times I
did yeah yeah so we did that got Sam
Kobe down and then nice when after that
a little while later arc Jack Jack then
ray-guns that was pokin profile was
fuckin with ray for a while okay just
like going out there I think right yeah
I think Pro was like judging some jams
are out there or whatever he just got
cool with the Ray and like I think they
entered a couple jams and whatever like
that and then profile was like Oh ray
like I heard her ray but I didn't really
know whatever and then profe was like oh
hey like I'm gonna get him down I'm like
I mean I was like you know you trusted
my judgment with the other guy so I'm
gonna trust your judgment we're great
uh-huh and that worked out
got ray down and like Ray's dope like he
comes out here a lot like he travels a
lot too so he comes out here just on the
strength you know what I mean like to
insert jams or whatever like you know
just cuz he wants to rap and kick it and
stuff like that and build so it got ray
down and then we got karma from 808
breakers oh he got down to him okay so
he's like the last guy that we got down
yeah should be everybody okay for the US
chapter okay oh why didn't missing buddy
I don't think I did yeah
if I did sorry got old man old man
memory going on so yeah that's pretty
much how the the the US chapter bill so
there's like a US chapter Korea Japan
is there a Europe one cuz there's like
that dude mouse or whatever isn't he
down yeah so I don't know if there's
like Denmark or if it's like just a UK
chap like our excuse me Europe chapter
like combined so it's like us Korea
Japan and then like the Europe guys like
that's how it goes okay that's the last
thing I just wanted to say was like I
know you're into like a lot of other
things like fishing and golf is there
any like similarities you have you see
with with those and like hip hop
breaking or anything like what drew you
to those are so with fishing it's kind
of crazy like it's they actually have
like tournaments and and shit like that
for fishing like bass tournaments yeah
and there's a couple brands that are
like you can tell that they're like
inspired by like hip hop there's a brand
called it's called
amplified fishing and they got like gear
and shit on there and you can tell like
they're like you know they're either
down with hip hop or somewhere down the
lines they they were like a hip hopper
and they're like oh I'm gonna integrate
I'm gonna integrate like you know this
hip hop culture in select the fishing
culture and it's actually like it's like
it's crazy like the the fishing scene is
kind of is similar to like they're
breaking yeah you know there's like
brands like sponsored people yeah
there's tournaments there's like gear
like you can buy whatever type of gear
you know Shimano beat you know I mean
like they got all that shit like getting
like you know saying they have like
promotional staff or like people like
they basically sponsor you and you get
like a discount on like gear and shit
like that kind of same thing you post
your content on IG You Tube even on
YouTube like there's a big like like
YouTube community of like fishermen so
like guys say like you and I we have a
curtain AJAX like fishing
channel or whatever and like there's
guys that go around so like different
lakes and shit oh no we got this there's
these kind of fish here let's catch some
yeah and they do like tutorial oh no all
types of different shit so it's it's
kind of crazy
like I just bought it actually I just
bought a kayak oh yeah
like my Christmas present to myself so
bought a kayak and like a bunch of gear
for Christmas for myself and like so
it's kind of similar like the the hip
hop scene and like the fishing scene
yeah what they call it I mean it seems
like it they're both somewhat
underground but there's like a rich
community in it it's like the same thing
is kind of crazy and like they have the
same like like discussion you know yeah
who is bitin my moves this guy won this
tournament you know did he know just
whatever it is but they have like the
same kind of like drama and like or
actually it was 22 cuz I was on my my I
G page I have a separate i G for like my
fishing shape oh and there's these two
brands there's these two there is you
can come in okay we're almost wrapped up
so there's these two brands and one of
them's called $0.06 and the other one is
googan Bates
so like the googan Bates are like young
guys like they're all like you know you
know twenty five ish like young guys and
they're kind of new on the scene and
then there's this like a there's like
some drama going that they'd be
basically bit the other The Sixth Sense
like their product so they have like a
it was like some crank baits so crank
bait is basically like a hard it's like
a hard plastic like baïdir' Dever yeah
so anyways they're saying like the
googan the googan bait guys bit the
sixth sense products basically the same
product and they're selling it and
people are like oh did they still like
that's hella funny yeah it's like what
the fun fishing drama dude yeah it's
crazy because it's like
like you know it's a product like yeah
Pepsi coke yeah I'm saying like people
were gonna buy it people were gonna buy
what they want to buy yeah yeah I'm
saying like do you like Nike better or
edita yeah it's kind of like the same
deal and like it was this huge thing on
on online about it crazy so yeah this
seems like it's yeah man there's like
tournaments there's actually a lot of
money on the line to like guys are yeah
like like for like the real like like
Bassmaster tournaments dues are when we
didn't like millions you know yeah and
you know they got sponsors and like all
that shit I mean and and I think that's
probably because they got lots of casual
fans too you know like it's I mean that
casual in the sense that there's people
that are fishing but they're not like
pro fishermen there but they're they
like it no yeah it's like dudes like me
like I'm not a pro but like oh you know
what you fuck with it yeah all fucking
you know I might check out a tournament
or whatever just you see like you know
there's like some local guys or
something that I know like oh let me see
what Johnny was doing yeah yeah I'm
saying it's it's they stream it just
kind of like how like you know like the
b-boys shit like they'll stream it
online or whatever yeah like I said
there's like tutorials like all that
shit so there's a lot of money a lot of
money my GoPro like they sponsor like a
lot of the tournaments and like
fishermen and shit like they got GoPro
needs to get on some breaking stuff I
could see that yeah GoPro the new GoPros
are dope have you seen them no I've seen
like the hero 8 and they're like really
small right no it's like the same size
but you don't need all the other
attachments like I think it's just
waterproof straight out the gate it's
the hero 8 and then they have like a
plus like hero plus or plus something
yeah oh yeah yeah yeah GoPro it's tight
I've always liked well anyways I think
I'll let you get out of here since we've
been going for a minute yeah man is dope
thanks for having me man
yeah ya know it's been great I like
there's so much stuff I can talk to you
about like your brand your brand
your clothing brand and then damn so I
mean it'd be really dope to get you back
on here at some point yeah so we could
talk about that so before I close out is
there anything like quick shout outs you
want to do or like yes yeah I want to
shout out to elite studio for letting me
come in here and I kind of just who ride
it in here but she doesn't mind Haley's
studio of dance yo if you guys want to
take a break in class your kids you I
take all levels all skill levels girls
boys I don't care and then also I have
an open session I try to do it every
Thursday night from 8:30 to 10:30 so if
you guys want to just come out in the
session you guys know how to find me on
my IG Facebook whatever what's your
what's your a handle on there Ajax FL g
fo gz o my IG so you could holler on
there message me whatever I'm sure you
guys can find me if you guys really
wanted to yeah and then and then your
your clothing brand oh man that's a
whole nother topic yeah my clothing
brand a fourth dimension street wear
bill for the elements by the elements we
got some stuff on there it's a grind
with that though so I mean same thing
like you guys know how to find me if he
went here got t-shirts sweatshirts
beanies hats all that shit so holler yep
well dope dude glad you're on thanks for
being on here oh man thanks for having
me and thanks for listening you guys
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