Ep: 18 The Wackest Famous Rapper Part 1 #fromdajump
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Show notes:
Syl: Vanilla ice was actually from Dallas
MW: Even being in that space took a certain amount of courage
Syl: He was the only white dude in that club! There wasn’t a dispersement
he was the only white dude there!
MW: hahaha
Syl: his haircut Idk what to call it
MW: It was the 80s cut, quintessential late 80s he was into
the culture it wasn’t like he was just enamored he lived in that urban
area and was comfortable with that vibe at that time
if you look at how he came up no one looked at him as a fraud
Syl: well he was a dancer and a rapper far far far across a distant
ocean 2nd.
Dj Earthquake was part of the scene at the Club City Lights
Vanilla ice on a dare from a friend of his entered the competition
he started beat boxing and dancing them moves and wow’d people
MW: He was doing hip hop busking being in the mall rapping, beat boxing
and when u say cultural appropriation I would say he appreciated
the culture. Up to that moment of getting on stage he took it seriously
at that time…just like to the average listener when it comes to music
or art they don’t understand it they just say i can’t do that
SYL and back in that daay hip hop was a subculture there wasn’t a cross
over i mean Run DMC and Aerosmeith had their crossover
The thing was people don’t realize the backstory about Vanilla Ice
he was already being recognized winning moto contests getting recognized
MW he was a serious dude, even tho he seems kind of corny
he has a certain demeanor and charisma, when we talk about it-factors
he has that and when other people think he is kind of corny to himself
he’s the shit and for a while he was a shit
Syl: He opened for MC Hammer 2 Live Crew
MW: That’s a perfect comparison he’s like a white MC Hammer
Syl he opened for Public Enemy in the 89 tour, PE wanted to sign
Vanilla Ice - you don’t hear about this
MW: Bestie boys got signed for a reason they wanted to exploit that
at that time you coudln’t perofrm for a white audience hip hop wasn’t at
that level yet…MC Hammer was one of those acts that could cross
over to white crowds. PE wasn’t exactly a cross over but they struck
a chord to the pooint where they became a major group…white pple listened to them
Syl: because it was political, audience it was more relevant to white
audiences than I grew up in the projects
MW you talkin about social issues
Syl right
and when you look at this kinda one of the hidden features of why
Ice popped out. It actually goes back to audio engineering
It goes back to the development of how hip hop was created
And Vanilla Ice wouldn’t have popped off at that moment in time
if we didn’t have the introduction of the SP1200 ans the Akai MPC
which allowed for a quantum leap of sampling and what was happening
was DJ Earthquake ReSampled Queen’s UnderPressure which Vanilla Ice
had to pay royalities on like 85% later on for that hook but that allowed the cross
over to Queens fans whether or not they realized it consciosuly it sounded familiar
MW: It’s interesting because previously Hip hop in itself is a sample music b/c even taking breakbeats from soul and funk In its essence hip hop started as a sampling muisic
But they type of stuff they are sampling isn’t whole songs til that good times track came out then they start3ed ripping whole loops
That was hard to do back then they talk about a band coming in having to play that whole position of that funk song live to record that
That MPC made it so you could chop up those loops I personally own one
it’s 1 of the greatest tools in hip hop
So he could the sample threw some drum beats on it it was kind of a fluke
like most musical steps no one was sampling white music like that
. . .
Syl: the music video didn’t come out when the song came out
the video was filmed in Deep Ellum in Dallas not far from Austin, Texas
and no one knew he was white until the video came out imagine
the whip lash
. . .
MW i think the things that he went thru are skewed to the perspective
if you live in a suburban area…let me put it like this way I wanted
to play football one year..it costs $110 My mother couldn’t pay the fee
I worked at subway so i could pay the equipment fee
when we talk about moto cross it cost money for the bike
cost money to get to the events, where did that money come from
are you telling me Vanilla Ice was rich at 16? Maybe not but he had
access to wealth
Syl: It was Dallas Morning News that started taking Vanilla Ice down
when they started saying wait hold up lets look at this
You went to school with 2 Live Crew? No that was a lie
You won 1000s of trophies for Team Honda? Morray has reported that is
a lie
MW: It’s a lie
Syl: you did NOT win 1000s of trophies for moto cross competitions so
this fictional biography…rappers exaggerate
MW: in his defense he didn’t want the bio released he didn’t write it up
and he didn’t think it was going to be a big deal..but authenticity in hip hop is
a big deal like..
Syl: I think the nail in the coffin for that particular article was revealing
his gov name was Robert Van Winkle which is not a rapper name haha
now if he went with a humpty dumpty approach and went with MC Van Winkle
maybe he could have got something on a school house rock levelgoing on
MW: That was the thing he was being marketed to be sold better…The way they dressed him up and paraded He was talented in his own right…he wasn’t the worst rapper of all time
Syl: who is the worst rapper of all time?
MW: Idk just because it’s generic…
Syl: The Source followed up with hip hop being too white washed saying unless it’s poppy it wasn’t going to hit
MW: that’s the way they had to introduce hip hop to a white audience
black people did records that were considered too raunchy and were redone
by white people to sound more white to sound more polite it’s sad to see
that happen and sad to see that happen in a new culture you’ve created..
it’s like they are trying to snatch our culture away from us once again
and try to tell us you can’t be popular doing this thing
we’re going to create a version of this that is safe and clean
altho Vanilla ice was kind of a B boy rapper a drug dealer in the hood
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