Never fear, the CHECK YOUR HEAD Podcast is here! Where notable musicians and experts share their stories and solutions for mental help and addiction recovery. Winner of a "People Choice" Podcast Award, music journalist and former life coach Mari Fong dives deep with her interviews to reveal real-world mental health solutions from artists such as Linda Ronstadt, Fred Armisen, Seether, and The Lumineers paired with top mental health experts who give their best professional advice. If you're a ...
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CHECK YOUR HEAD Afterparty with Mari Fong & Kat Jensen featuring Seether with Dr. Dan Reidenberg
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Send us a text You’re invited to the CHECK YOUR HEAD Afterparty where Mari Fong and Kat Jensen take the best lessons from each episode and talk about how to easily incorporate them into our daily lives. For September 2024 which is Suicide Prevention and Recovery Month, we’re spotlighting the Seether & Dr. Dan Reidenberg (SAVE.org, Suicide Preventio…
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Seether (Shaun Morgan, Corey Lowery) Reboot: Living w/Depression & Suicide Aftermath w/Dr. Dan Reidenberg (SAVE.org, Suicide Prevention expert)
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Send us a text CHECK YOUR HEAD Podcast Reboot for September 2024 for Suicide Prevention and Recovery Month. Next episode, listen to CHECK YOUR HEAD Podcast Afterparty where Mari Fong and Kat Jensen take the best lessons from each episode and talk about how to easily incorporate them in our daily lives. Mari Fong interviews Seether (Shaun Morgan and…
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Zac Barnett (American Authors): Bipolar Support with Chris Bullard (Sound Mind Live)
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Send us a text Mari Fong interviews Zac Barnett of American Authors and Chris Bullard, former touring musician and founder of Sound Mind Live. Zac Barnett of American Authors shares about caring for his mother with bipolar disorder and the importance of being a mental health support for those you love. American Authors will be playing at the upcomi…
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Jared Watson (Dirty Heads): Alcoholism & Depression Recovery w/Dave Schools (Neal Casal Music Foundation)
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Send us a text Mari Fong interviews Jared Watson of Dirty Heads and Dave Schools of and the Neal Casal Foundation and Widespread Panic. Jared Watson shares how his hard partying ways with Dirty Heads ("Lay Me Down," "Stand Tall") descended into alcohol and drug abuse. He recollects his wake up call when rushed to the hospital, barely able to move f…
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Amos Lee: Agoraphobia & Panic Attack Recovery w/Dr. Melissa Boudin (PsyD, Choosing Therapy)
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Send us a text Mari Fong interviews singer-songwriter Amos Lee and Dr. Melissa Boudin, psychologist and Clinical Director of Choosing Therapy. Amos Lee spent his life coping with anxiety and panic attacks which led him to be agoraphobic at the tender age of 10 years-old. Lee shares his panic attack recovery tools, and also how to best support someo…
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Matt Brandyberry (From Ashes to New): Living w/Panic Attacks w/Eva Marie (Psychotherapist, Eva Under Fire)
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Send us a text Mari Fong interviews Matt Brandyberry of From Ashes to New and Eva Marie AKA Amanda Lyberg, psychotherapist and lead singer of Eva Under Fire. Matt Brandyberry shares his story what led to his personal breakdown which triggered panic attacks, anxiety and depression. The pros and cons of competitiveness. From Ashes to New's single and…
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RIOPY: Childhood Trauma & Abuse Recovery w/Dr. Benjamin Miller (PsyD, Well Being Trust)
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Send us a text Mari Fong interviews contemporary classical pianist RIOPY and Dr. Benjamin Miller, PsyD and President of Well Being Trust. Pianist and composer Jean-Philippe Rio-Py (RIOPY), who wrote the score for award-winning films The Shape of Water and The Danish Girl, grew up in a cult where he was physically and emotionally abused until his es…
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Kills Birds: Depression & Toxic Relationship Recovery w/Johanna Kandel (Natnl Alliance For Eating Disorders)
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Send us a text Mari Fong interviews Nina Ljeti and Jacob Loeb of Kills Birds, and Johanna Kandel of the National Alliance For Eating Disorders. Nina and Jacob of the band Kills Birds share their pandemic challenges, depression solutions, Nina's toxic relationship recovery, and the story behind Dave Grohl of the Foo Fighters inviting the band to rec…
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Wesley Schultz (The Lumineers): Alcoholism & Mood Disorders Affecting Families w/Kerri Abernathy (Therapist & Addiction Specialist)
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Send us a text Mari Fong interviews Wesley Schultz of The Lumineers with Kerri Abernathy, Marriage & Family Therapist and Addiction Specialist. Schultz shares how a family member's severe alcoholism and mood disorders affect him and his wife and the lives of other family members. The muse for The Lumineers's song "Gloria," this woman was sent to th…
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Mari Fong: Living with Depression & Hormone Imbalance Recovery with Dr. Gary Donovitz (Founder, BioTE)
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Send us a text Mari Fong is interviewed by musician Kat Jensen on living with depression and hormone balance recovery with Dr. Gary Donovitz, founder of BioTE, a customize bioidentical hormone replacement therapy. We begin the 3rd season of the CHECK YOUR HEAD Podcast with your host Mari Fong sharing how hormone imbalance and stress were triggers f…
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Lindsey Stirling: Anorexia Nervosa Recovery with Dr. Christina Wierenga (UCSD Eating Disorders Center)
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Send us a text Mari Fong interviews Lindsey Stirling, singer-songwriter, violinist, and dancer, and Dr. Christina Wierenga, Professor of Psychiatry and Clinical Neuropsychologist at UC San Diego’s Eating Disorders Center for Treatment and Research. Lindsey Stirling shares her story of anorexia nervosa and the depression and anxiety that came along …
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Katelyn Tarver: Living w/Anxiety & Self-Doubt w/Dr. Adi Jaffe (Psychologist, The Abstinence Myth)
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Send us a text Mari Fong interviews Katelyn Tarver, singer-songwriter and actress, and Dr. Adi Jaffe, psychologist, addiction specialist, and author of The Abstinence Myth. Katelyn Tarver shares her story and solutions for living with anxiety and self-doubt. Katelyn released 6 EPs of her own music before winning NBC's "Songland" in 2019. Her song, …
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James Arthur: Living w/Depression & Panic Attacks w/Dr. Adi Jaffe (Psychologist, The Abstinence Myth)
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Send us a text Mari Fong interviews singer-songwriter James Arthur and Dr. Adi Jaffe, mental health and addiction specialist, author of The Abstinence Myth: A New Approach For Overcoming Addiction Without Shame, Judgment, Or Rules. James Arthur shares how living with depression and panic attacks along with a troublesome childhood led him to a life …
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Sal Rodriguez (WAR): Obsessive-Compulsive Behavior & Addiction Recovery w/Jeff Duke (Christ Powered Recovery)
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Send us a text Mari Fong interviews Sal Rodriguez of WAR and Jeff Duke, Founder of Christ Powered Recovery. Sal Rodriguez shares how music, drinking alcohol and parties were part of his lifestyle growing up which led to an addiction to cocaine and selling LSD as a teen. His obsessive-compulsive behaviors made it hard to stop using but eventually fo…
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Michael Murphy (Written By Wolves): Living w/ Anxiety & Perfectionism Recovery w/Mari Fong (Life Coach for Musicians) & Kat Jensen
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Send us a text Mari Fong interviews Michael Murphy, lead singer of Written By Wolves, and musician health expert Kat Jensen. Michael Murphy shares his story and solutions for anxiety and depression, where his goal to always be “the best” started to have a negative affect on him and his family. Michael explains why songwriting is easier than traditi…
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Chase Bryant: Living w/Anxiety, Depression & Imposter Syndrome Recovery w/Aric Steinberg (Sweet Relief Musicians Fund)
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Send us a text Mari Fong interviews country singer-songwriter Chase Bryant and Sweet Relief Musicians Fund Executive Vice President of Development & Artist Relations, Aric Steinberg. Chase Bryant shares his solutions for anxiety, depression and imposter syndrome recovery. After skyrocketing to fame, Chase Bryant found himself quickly playing with c…
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Cap Carter: Living w/Depression & Addiction Recovery w/Cat Moore (USC Dir. of Belonging, Loneliness Expert)
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Send us a text Mari Fong interviews singer-songwriter Cap Carter and USC's Director of Belonging and Loneliness Expert, Cat Moore. Cap Carter shares his solutions for depression and addiction recovery having experienced a painful childhood and the difficult divorce of his parents. Cap’s single “Relapse,” started out as an exit song but became the s…
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Satellite Citi: Living with OCD & Premenstrual Dysphoric Disorder (PMDD) with Chris Trondsen (OCD Specialist & Therapist)
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Send us a text Mari Fong interviews Anna Gevorkian and Shaunt Sulahian of Satellite Citi on OCD and PMDD with Chris Trondsen, M.S., AMFT, APCC, OCD Specialist & Therapist. Satellite Citi share solutions for Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder or OCD and Premenstrual Dysphoric Disorder or PMDD. Shaunt Sulahian talks about his late OCD diagnosis and the ha…
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David Shaw (The Revivalists, solo artist): Living with Anxiety & Addiction Recovery with Farid Hashemi (Wim Hof Certified Instructor)
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Send us a text Mari Fong interviews David Shaw of The Revivalists and solo artist, and Farid Hashemi, Wim Hof Certified Instructor. David Shaw shares his story of growing up with fears, insecurities and “not feeling good enough” which led to anxiety and drug and alcohol addiction. One long night of drinking led to a fateful night that shocked and s…
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Jesse Leach (Killswitch Engage, Times of Grace): Toxic Relationship Recovery, Living w/Anxiety & Depression w/Dr. Dan Reidenberg (Suicide Prevention, SAVE.org)
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Send us a text Mari Fong interviews musical guest Jesse Leach of Killswitch Engage, Times of Grace and The Weapon, and suicide prevention expert Dr. Dan Reidenberg of SAVE.org. Jesse Leach talks about how a toxic relationship triggered his anxiety and depression, how he came to realize the abuse, and what it took for him to finally break away. Jess…
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Winona Oak: Living with PMDD & Panic Attacks w/Richard "Wolfie" Wolf (Meditation Expert & Author)
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Send us a text Mari Fong interviews singer-songwriter Winona Oak and Richard "Wolfie" Wolf, meditation expert and author of In Tune: Music as a Bridge to Mindfulness. Swedish songstress Winona Oak was a 12-year-old when her panic attacks and anxiety began, triggered by her hormonal cycle (PMDD or Premenstrual Dysphoric Disorder). Winona eventually …
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Brian Wheat (Tesla): Bulimia & Addiction Recovery, Living w/Panic Attacks w/Karl Shallowhorn (Mental Health Educator & Advocate)
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Send us a text Mari Fong interviews Brian Wheat of Tesla and expert Karl Shallowhorn, mental health educator, speaker, coach and author of “Leadership Through the Lens of the 12 Steps.” Brian Wheat of Tesla shares how he overcame bulimia, addictions, and lives successfully with panic attacks, depression. Brian Wheat’s autobiography entitled, Son of…
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Ruby Carr & Natalia Panzarella (Bahari): Living with Bipolar & Anxiety with Mari Fong (Life Coach for Musicians) & Kat Jensen
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Send us a text Mari Fong interviews Ruby Carr and Natalia Panzarella of Bahari. Mari Fong (Life Coach for Musicians) and musician Kat Jensen discuss the Bahari interview, the benefits of journaling, and the medication naloxone or Narcan for the use of stopping an opioid overdose. Natalia and Ruby share their story and solutions for bipolar, panic a…
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Nick Petty (The Happys): Living with Major Depressive Disorder & ADHD with Sally Anne Gross (Author, Can Music Make You Sick?)
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Send us a text Mari Fong interviews Nick Petty of The Happys and Sally Anne Gross, author of Can Music Make You Sick? Measuring the Price of Musical Ambition and 30-year veteran of the music industry. Nick Petty shares his story of growing up with major depressive disorder, anxiety and ADHD. Nick symptoms started as a child. He took medication for …
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Hannah Hooper (Grouplove): Stage Fright Recovery & Finding Self-Love with Hallie Lincoln & Hilary Gleason (Backline)
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Send us a text Mari Fong interviews Hannah Hooper of Grouplove and Hallie Lincoln & Hilary Gleason of Backline. Hannah Hooper shares her story of battling stage fright and recovery, while finding self-love and empowerment. Grouplove’s surprise 5th album, This Is This, represents evolving, healing and a way to vent your emotions from the frustration…
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Sean Long (While She Sleeps): Agoraphobia & Panic Disorder Recovery with Andrea Vassilev (DBSA, San Gabriel Valley)
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Send us a text Mari Fong interviews guitarist Sean Long of While She Sleeps and Andrea Vassilev of DBSA, San Gabriel Valley. Sean Long share his story and solutions for recovery for anxiety, panic attacks, panic disorder and agoraphobia. While She Sleeps’s single “Nervous” off their new album Sleeps Society is based on Sean’s mental health journey …
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Gabbie Hanna: Living w/Anxiety & Bulimia Recovery w/Cat Moore (USC Dir. of Belonging, Loneliness Expert)
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Send us a text Mari Fong interviews pop singer-songwriter Gabbie Hanna and Cat Moore, USC Director of Belonging. Gabbie Hanna shares her story and solutions for anxiety, bulimia, depression and more. Growing up in a dysfunctional family and raised by narcissistic parents, Gabbie had a tough time making friends and connecting with others. During a d…
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Chris Robertson (Black Stone Cherry): Living with Bipolar & Panic Attacks w/Carly Hester (NAMI, Clinical Social Worker)
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Send us a text Mari Fong interviews Chris Robertson of Black Stone Cherry and Carly Hester of NAMI, Philly and Clinical Social Worker. Chris Robertson shares his story of being manic depressive or bipolar disorder with anxiety and panic attacks along with his solutions for recovery. *Warning: Suicide and suicidal ideation is discussed. Listener dis…
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Grant DeCrane (Pray For Sleep): Sexual Abuse and Self-harm Recovery with Kat Parsons (Psychotherapist, Trauma Specialist)
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Send us a text Mari Fong interviews Grant DeCrane (Pray For Sleep) and Kat Parsons AKA Katharine Petzold (Psychotherapist & Licensed Counselor, Trauma Specialist). Musician and lead singer Grant DeCrane of alternative rock band Pray For Sleep shares his story of sexual trauma, PTSD, depression and anxiety. Grant begins counseling but still experien…
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Jordan Benjamin (grandson): Living w/Mood Disorders with Mari Fong (Life Coach for Musicians) & Kat Jensen
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Send us a text Mari Fong interviews Jordan Benjamin (grandson), then Mari Fong (Life Coach for Musicians) talks with Kat Jensen. Jordan Benjamin AKA grandson shares his story of living with symptoms of bipolar, his manic episodes, and his family history of bipolar and other mood disorders. His ADHD-like impulsivity as a youngster, acting out in sch…
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Linda Ronstadt: Living w/Progressive Supranuclear Palsy with Dr. Ish Major (Psychiatrist, Relationship Coach, "Marriage Boot Camp")
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Send us a text Mari Fong interviews Linda Ronstadt (singer-songwriter) & Dr. Ish Major (Psychiatrist, Relationship Coach, “Marriage Boot Camp”). Linda talks about her Mexican heritage and traditions in the documentary, “Linda and the Mockingbirds.” Her thoughts on immigration and the mental toll and trauma for children separated from their families…
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India Shawn (singer-songwriter): Toxic Relationship Recovery & Dr. Ish Major (Psychiatrist, Relationship Expert, "Marriage Boot Camp")
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Send us a text Mari Fong interviews India Shawn (singer-songwriter) & Dr. Ish Major (Board Certified Psychiatrist, Relationship Expert, “Marriage Boot Camp,” “Tamron Hall Show,” author of Little White Whys). R & B artist India Shawn shares her experience with toxic relationships, co-dependency, growing up with a single, therapist mother and an alco…
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Shaun Morgan, Corey Lowery (Seether): Living w/Depression & Suicide Aftermath w/Dr. Dan Reidenberg (SAVE.org, Suicide Prevention expert)
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Send us a text Mari Fong interviews Shaun Morgan and Corey Lowery (Seether) & Dan Reidenberg, PsyD (SAVE.org, Suicide Prevention expert). In 2007, Shaun Morgan's brother Eugene died by suicide. In 2012, Shaun and Seether created the Rise Above Fest to raise awareness of suicide prevention and mental illness. Shaun and Corey of Seether share their s…
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Yesod Williams (Pepper): Living w/Depression & Alcoholism Recovery with Kellie Nowell (The Nowell Family Foundation, Bradley's House)
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Send us a text Mari Fong interviews Yesod Williams (Pepper, LAW Records) & Kellie Nowell (The Nowell Family Foundation, Bradley's House). Yesod Williams shares his story and solutions on alcoholism and depression. Growing up seeing his mother's alcoholism, Yesod Williams slides into alcoholism after her death. With 9 years of abuse, Yesod's drummer…
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Danny Griego (solo artist): Living with PTSD with Anika Wilson (PTSD & Trauma Expert)
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Send us a text Mari Fong interviews Danny Griego (singer-songwriter, solo artist) and Anika Wilson (Clinical Psychologist, PTSD & Trauma) on Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD). Having worked with icons such as Waylon Jennings, Jessi Colter and Billy Jo Shaver, Danny Griego shares his story of being struck by lightning which led him to music and …
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Rench (Gangstagrass, solo artist): Living w/Social Anxiety & ADHD with Daniel McCartney (The Continuance Foundation)
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Send us a text Mari Fong interviews Rench (Gangstagrass, producer, singer/songwriter, solo artist) and Daniel McCartney (music agent at United Talent Agency, Gideon), founder of The Continuance Foundation. Rench from bluegrass, hip-hop band Gangstagrass talks about racial unity and living with social anxiety, Rejection Sensitive Dysphoria (RSD) whi…
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Davey Suicide (solo artist & band): Childhood Trauma Recovery & Michael Friedman, Ph.D. (Psychology Today)
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Send us a text Mari Fong interviews Davey Suicide (solo artist & band) and Michael Friedman, Ph.D. (Clinical Psychologist & Life Coach, Psychology Today) on dealing with childhood traumas. Davey Suicide describes his turbulent upbringing with divorced parents, feeling misunderstood, not fitting in at school, and how music saved him. The positivity …
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Mackenzie Nicole (singer-songwriter): Living w/Bipolar Disorder with Becca Lane (NAMI Philadelphia))
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Send us a text Mari Fong interviews Mackenzie Nicole (singer-songwriter) and Becca Lane (NAMI Philadelphia) on bipolar disorder and suicidal thoughts. September is Suicide Prevention & Awareness Month, and pop artist Mackenzie Nicole shares her story on Bipolar 1 Disorder, having suicidal thoughts at 6 years old, and the mood swings of mania and de…
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Emilio Castillo (Tower of Power): Abandonment and Addiction Recovery with Tim Ringgold, MT-BC (Music Therapist, Sonic Recovery)
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Send us a text Mari Fong interviews Emilio Castillo (Tower of Power) and Tim Ringgold, MT-BC (Music Therapist & Author of Sonic Recovery: Harness the Power of Music to Stay Sober) on addiction and mental health. Emilio Castillo shares his story of addiction to alcohol, heroin, marijuana, cocaine, eating, and more. Hear why Emilio would create drug …
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Sammi Doll (IAMX, Kat Von D): Living w/Depression & ADHD with Mari Fong (Life Coach for Musicians) and Kat Jensen
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Send us a text Mari Fong interviews Sammi Doll (IAMX, Bullet Height, Kat Von D) on depression and ADHD (Attention deficit hyperactive disorder), then Mari Fong (Life Coach for Musicians) talks with Kat Jensen. Sammi Doll shares her facebook post while in the depths of depression, how the social media post affected her fans, her experience living in…
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Emma Lov (Loote): Living with Panic Attacks & Andrea Vassilev (DBSA)
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Send us a text Mari Fong interviews Emma Lov (Loote) and Andrea Vassilev (Depression & Bipolar Support Alliance, DBSA, San Gabriel Valley). EMMA LOV OF LOOTE, who co-wrote with Demi Lovato and Cheat Codes, and remixed the Shawn Mendes’ song “Mercy,” shares her story of PANIC ATTACKS & PANIC DISORDER. Starting therapy after surviving the 9/11 terror…
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Frank Zummo (Sum 41, Street Drum Corps): Losing Musicians to Suicide with Kevin Lyman (Vans Warped Tour, Sound Mind Live) *320 Festival Special Edition*
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Send us a text Mari Fong interviews FRANK ZUMMO about being an advocate for mental health, LOSING CHESTER BENNINGTON of Linkin Park, the 320festival.com online on May 8-10, 2020, LOSING FAMILY TO MOOD DISORDERS & ADDICTIONS, the stress of the Covid-19 pandemic, the downward spiral of Scott Weiland of Stone Temple Pilots, meeting Anthony Bourdain, T…
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Sir Bob Cornelius Rifo (The Bloody Beetroots) with The Amazing Clarks (Life Coaches), Part 2
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Send us a text Mari Fong interviews Sir Bob Cornelius Rifo (The Bloody Beetroots) & The Amazing Clarks (Life Coaches), Part 2. Sir Bob reveals HIS NEAR DEATH EXPERIENCE, surviving the Big Day Out Festival, how he became a superhero, BUILDING HIS CONFIDENCE, how Jay Buchanan of Rival Sons changed his life, why he called himself a “koo koo crazy kid,…
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Sir Bob Cornelius Rifo (The Bloody Beetroots) with The Amazing Clarks (Life Coaches), Part 1
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Send us a text Mari Fong interviews Sir Bob Cornelius Rifo (The Bloody Beetroots) & The Amazing Clarks (Life Coaches), Part 1. Sir Bob talks about AVICII, CREATING A BETTER TOUR LIFE, the temptations within the electronic music and EDM club scene, how he handled the crazy first years of fame, SURVIVIING DRINKING AND DRUGS, the keys to success in hi…
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Fred Armisen (Portlandia, SNL,Trenchmouth) with Johan Svanberg (Record Union, "The 73 Percent Report"), Part 2
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Send us a text Host Mari Fong interviews Fred Armisen (Trenchmouth, SNL, Portlandia, Bandleader/Drummer for Late Night with Seth Meyers, Big Mouth) and Johan Svanberg (Record Union, "The 73 Percent Report") interviews, Part 2. First COVID-19 episode and how the coronavirus has changed our lives, caused anxiety and uncertainty, and SOLUTIONS ON HOW …
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Fred Armisen (Portlandia, SNL, Late Night with Seth Meyers) and Keren Clark (DBT Expert), Part 1
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Send us a text Mari Fong interviews Fred Armisen (Saturday Night Live, SNL, Portlandia, Bandleader/Drummer for Late Night with Seth Meyers, Big Mouth, Los Espookys) and Keren Clark (Psychotherapist, Dialectical Behavior Therapy) interviews, Part 1. Fred Armisen on his 8 YEARS IN THE PUNK BAND TRENCHMOUTH, the DIFFICULTIES OF TOURING with a band, ta…
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Gilby Clarke (Guns N’ Roses, Slash’s Snakepit) with Tony Gonzalez (DBSA), Part 2
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Send us a text Mari Fong interviews Gilby Clarke (Guns N’ Roses, Slash’s Snakepit, MC5, Kings of Chaos) and Tony Gonzalez of the Depression and Bipolar Support Alliance, San Gabriel Valley (DBSA) interviews, Part 2. Gilby Clarke talks WHY MEN FIND IT HARD TO ASK FOR HELP, taking painkillers, offering help and losing his friend to alcoholism, KEEPIN…
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Gilby Clarke (Guns N' Roses, Slash's Snakepit) with Keren Clark (DBT Expert), Part 1
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Send us a text Mari Fong interviews Gilby Clarke (Guns N’ Roses, Slash’s Snakepit, Heart, MC5, Rock Star Supernova) and Keren Clark (Psychotherapist, DBT or Dialectical Behavior Therapy), Part 1. Gilby Clarke talks about losing Prince, THE UPS AND DOWNS OF THE "USE YOUR ILLUSION" TOUR WITH GUNS N' ROSES and Axl Rose, Slash, Duff McKagan and Matt So…
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Kat Jensen (singer-songwriter): Living with Depression with Tony Gonzalez (DBSA)
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Send us a text Mari Fong interviews Kat Jensen (singer-songwriter) & Tony Gonzalez (DBSA, Depression & Bipolar Support Alliance). Kat Jensen talks about depression, her family history of mood disorders, having a schizophrenic mother and physician father, cutting, suicide attempts, and how Cognitive Behavioral Therapy was the solution to dealing wit…
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Send us a text In 2017 we lost a number of well-loved artists to suicide such as Chris Cornell of Soundgarden, Chester Bennington of Linkin Park. After this happened I thought to myself, how could musicians who brought me so much joy, leave this world in so much pain? So I created The CHECK YOUR HEAD Podcast, where notable musicians and experts sha…
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