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The Chad & Cheese Podcast

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Everything Recruiting, Recruitment Marketing, Technology, Talent Management, and Workforce Economics wrapped in brash opinions and loads of snark. Industry veterans Chad Sowash & Joel Cheesman share their experience and opinion on a wide variety of topics and current news stories. Hiring companies, employers, and vendors tune in for insights from practitioners, vendors, startups, and these two knuckleheads.
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Each week, Steven Rothberg of College Recruiter and Peter Zollman of the AIM Group analyze news about general, niche, and aggregator job board and recruitment marketplace sites. With guests from the world's leading job sites, and people who follow or work with them, Steven and Peter dive into the tactics and strategies used by sites that dominate their markets or are the most innovative --- or both. Each episode will give you actionable takeaways, whether you're an employer looking to improv ...
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Richard Collins, serial entrepreneur and founder of C Squared Technology, discusses the art of the startup pivot and mastering the challenges and opportunities in the recruitment advertising industry. He shares his experience with building a platform that connects job boards and employers, focusing on delivering qualified applicants. Richard emphas…
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With Chad jet lagged from his trip back home from Portugal, Work It Daily's J.T. O'Donnell fills in. The main themes include the changing expectations of job seekers, the importance of authenticity and authentication in employer branding, the impact of AI and automation on job applications, the rise of video in recruitment, the role of social media…
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Dr. Julius Probst of Appcast and The Stepstone Group joins the podcast today to talk about how the labor markets impact job boards and recruitment marketplaces. He explains why we don't want labor markets that are cold, which most of us easily understand, but also why we don't want labor markets that are red hot, which some of us might not understa…
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Yehuda Beller, co-founder and CRO at Worklik joins the Chad and Cheese podcast for a session of Firing Squad. WorkLik is a video-based job platform that aims to improve the candidate experience and connect job seekers with employers. They focus on hourly workers and Gen Z job seekers who are tired of the traditional hiring process. They've raised $…
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This week, the boys are doing their best Charles Dickens impressions, but instead of two cities, they're waxing poetic about the tale of two applicant tracking systems: SmartRecruiers and iCIMS. One is making all the right moves, while the other one, well, not-so-much. Then it's on to Amazon, whose new Amazon Q technology is taking the world by sto…
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Matt Fischer, President and COO of Bullhorn, joins the Chad and Cheese podcast to discuss the evolution of Bullhorn and the future of the recruiting industry. Fischer shares his background and how he got into the staffing and tech industry. He also talks about the importance of AI in recruiting and how it can optimize the human element of the job. …
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This week, Chad and Cheese discuss various topics including the DNC, immersive technology, Chick-fil-A's elevated drive-through, Shawn Fain's speech on American workers, Alex Cooper's $100 million podcast deal, and upcoming events like RecFest and fantasy football. They also touch on Chris Bakke leaving X Hiring after one year, as well as the decli…
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Marty Aghajanyan, Founder and CEO of JBoard, is today's guest. We talk about when new or even existing job boards should use off-the-shelf software from any of a couple of dozen providers, one of the most popular of which is JBoard, and when it makes more sense for them to build and maintain their own software. Join Cohosts Peter M. Zollman of AIM …
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In this snark-filled episode of the Chad and Cheese Podcast, Joel, Chad, and Lieven serve up their usual blend of sharp wit and sharp analysis, dissecting everything from Ukraine's military maneuvers to the UK’s job market makeover. No European stereotype is safe, and no topic is too serious (or ridiculous) for the boys to tackle. Ukrainian Militar…
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Jim McCoy, CEO of Atlas, joins the Chad and Cheese podcast to discuss the rise of Employee of Record (EOR) platforms and the future of remote work. McCoy explains that EOR platforms help companies employ people in countries where they don't have a legal entity, supporting global mobility and recruitment. He also discusses the convergence of EOR and…
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This week, the boys discuss the Olympics, layoffs at Paramount and Cisco. Plus, they analyze the financial performance and strategies of companies like Indeed, Upwork, ZipRecruiter, and Seek. They also touch on the challenges faced by job boards and the impact of AI on the industry. Additionally, they discuss the potential breakup of Alphabet (Goog…
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In this episode of the Chad and Cheese Podcast Does Europe, Joel and Lieven discuss the Olympics, anti-tourism protests in Europe, and play the ultimate game of Buy or Sell with several European startups. They review and give their opinions on the startups Earlybird, doinstruct, WorkerHero, Moniti and Passionfruit. They also explore the reasons why…
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Hilla Hascalovici, the founder of Period Ally, joins the Chad and Cheese podcast to discuss how her company helps companies support their menstruating employees. Period Ally offers high-quality products, pain management, menstrual leave and rest policies, training, events, and more. Julie Sowash takes over for Chad, as it's smarter to have smarts o…
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In this episode, the boys deliver snarky takes on current events in tech and recruitment. They discuss the appeal of a down-to-earth political figure, shout out Snoop Dogg for boosting Olympic viewership, and promote their presence at Recfest in Nashville. Theget ready for a critique of Intel's leadership amid layoffs, Tinder's failed live streamin…
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Virtually every site that buys or sells traffic on a cost-per-click (CPC) basis does so by pulling candidates into their site, programmatically distributing jobs to other career sites, or some combination of the two. Today, cohosts Peter M. Zollman of AIM Group and Steven Rothberg of College Recruiter interview Tracey Parsons, the founder of Flocki…
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Recorded live from RecFest, this special episode of Chad and Cheese features Lord Wei, a member of the Science and Tech Committee in the House of Lords. It's not every day you hear from a political figure on the show! They dive into topics like AI regulation, workforce automation, and tech's role in recruitment. Don't miss it—follow Chad and Cheese…
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In this episode, Joel and Chad dig into a ton of tech news with a new segment called 'Big Mac or Nothing Burger' where they evaluate the significance topic by topic. Big Mac or Nothing Burger - Indeed charges $3 per API call - ZipRecruiter introduces new AI tools - New LinkedIn jobs guidelines - ChatGPT goes search - LinkedIn leans on ad networks t…
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In this episode, Joel and Chad interview Jim Durbin, the Indeed Whisperer, about the challenges and future of job boards and recruitment marketing. They discuss the decline in traffic and revenue for Indeed, the potential expansion into temporary staffing, the importance of social media presence for job boards, and the CareerBuilder-Monster merger.…
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On this week's show, the boys are talkin' Fiverr who's expanding its platform from a freelance marketplace to a "hiring platform," introducing new features like profession-based talent search and hourly rates. They are also adding AI-powered tools to enhance project management and user experience. Chad sees this as Fiverr growing up and moving away…
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Today's guest, Dylan Buckley of DirectlyApply, joins us from London, U.K. but their business only serves the U.S. market. Even more unusually, they're an aggregator that doesn't distribute jobs to other job boards, so they aren't engaged in the typical arbitrage model that virtually all other aggregators are. Oh, and there are only six employees, t…
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In this episode, Joel and Chad interview Jason Putnam, Chief Revenue Officer at Plum, about the flaws of skills-based hiring and the future of work. They discuss the challenges of becoming a skills-based organization, the importance of soft skills in hiring and promotion decisions, and the need for clean and comprehensive data to drive talent manag…
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Justin Henshaw, founder and CEO of Gage, joins the Chad and Cheese podcast to pitch his company. Gage is the first and only universal employment recognition system and engagement community built for shift and hourly workers. It allows employees to own and transfer their employment data, providing a complete and portable employment record. Gage also…
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It's always great to see great things happening to great people. On today's episode, we learn more about that happening. Viewers may know Julie Sowash as the Executive Director of Disability Solutions, Co-Founder and CEO of Catch 22 Consulting, or wife of Chad Sowash. Viewers may also know of Chad as Co-Host of The Chad and Cheese Podcast and Co-Fo…
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This week, the boys are covering a ton of news. Hackajob impresses, while Axel Springer is considering spinning off its digital classifieds division, which includes StepStone and Aviv Group. Deel keeps winning with its latest acquisition of Hofy, while Lattice's decision to treat AI agents as employees fell flat with Netizens. DEI took a big hit wi…
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Companies are hearing all of the efficiencies they can enjoy by using large language models (LLM) but have no clue where to start. Luckily, Adam Gordon, cofounder at Poetry, can answer some of those questions for TA leaders and recruiters while Chad & Cheese can attest to LLMs integrated into podcasting platforms. If you're new to LLMs, and using s…
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In this episode, the boys interview Angela Cheng-Cimini, the CHRO at Harvard Business Publishing, about hyper-individualization in the workplace. They discuss the importance of meeting employees where they are and providing a personalized employee experience. They also explore the impact of COVID-19 on workplace flexibility and the shift towards re…
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In this episode, the boys discuss various topics including LinkedIn ad performance, Google's facial recognition technology, and the rise of AI-powered relationships. They explore the effectiveness of LinkedIn ads compared to other platforms like LinkedIn and X, highlighting the superior targeting, reach, and quality of ads on Meta platforms. Start-…
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Industry veteran, Christopher Campbell of Reticular Media, joins us today for an episode that will be of great interest to any job board / recruitment marketplace that sends bulk, commercial emails such as job match alerts. Sending thousands, tens of thousands, or even more emails a day is massively challenging as the rules from Gmail and other ema…
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In this episode, Chad and Cheese, joined by Matt Alder, brave the typical Scottish weather from the comfort of a van parked on North Berwick Beach. The appalling weather and fog set the scene for a hilariously insightful discussion on the future of talent acquisition. Expect plenty of snark as they navigate topics like AI’s inevitable takeover, the…
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On this special episode, The Chad & Cheese team up with our pal and fellow podcaster Matt Alder, who, in true Scooby-Doo fashion, rented a camper van for our East Coast tour. First stop? Glenkinchie Distillery in the Scottish Lowlands. Because, of course, in Scotland the best way to start the day is with some whiskey. After the tour we whip out the…
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They boys are talkin' CareerBuilder and Monster merging this week. The deal is expected to close in Q3 and is subject to regulatory approvals. This merger comes as both companies have faced challenges in recent years, with CareerBuilder being sold off in pieces by Apollo and Monster struggling to revive its brand under Randstad's guidance. It remai…
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Yeah, we know. WorkLlama is a dumb name for a company. But Shakespeare said, "A rose by any other name would still smell OK," or something like that (English lit wasn't really our thing), so let's dig into the business with Sugandan Dinakaran, VP of Product at WorkLlama. Turns out, WorkLlama promises to do a lot of the heavy lifting for your recrui…
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What do failed retailers K-Mart and Sears have in common with Monster and CareerBuilder? In both cases, you've got organizations that were large, vibrant, and dominant but gradually faded until their owners decided that combining them was somehow a great strategy. Today, global staffing company, Randstad, announced that it was ceding majority owner…
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Anessa Fike, author of The Revolution of Work, F!ck the Patriarchy, discusses her book and the need to dismantle the current systems in the workplace. She shares her journey into fractional HR and explains that fractional work allows organizations to have experts on a part-time basis at a fraction of the cost. Anessa talks about her decision to wri…
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This week, the boys discuss recent excursions in Asia and Europe, as well as recent industry news. They cover topics such as the decline in job postings, the acquisition of Textkernel by Bullhorn, the rebranding of StepStone, and the funding of TechWolf and FairNow. The conversation also touches on the importance of AI in the recruitment industry a…
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Cohost Peter M. Zollman of AIM Group is back from his well-deserved break and discusses with Cohost Steven Rothberg of College Recruiter whether job boards and recruitment marketplaces are all seeing reduced revenues coming out of the pandemic, to what degree, why, and whether that's temporary or permanent. The gents also discuss what sites should …
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Join Chad and Lieven in this week’s episode as they dive into Europe’s hottest tech news. With Joel savoring Singaporean street food, the duo tackles LinkedIn’s new AI career coaches and the impact of Bullhorn acquiring Text Kernel on the recruitment industry. They explore Revolut’s surprising move into HR tech with Revolut People, discussing poten…
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Automating the application process is pretty popular these days. From companies like Paradox to Humanly and others, allowing job seekers to submit their information by tapping a screen or talking into a phone is becoming big business. Then along comes Germany-based Talk’n’Job who believe they've built a better mousetrap, and they've even won a comp…
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In this episode of the Chad and Cheese podcast, Chad and guest Joel Lalgee tackle everything from Euro 2024 and upcoming events to the staffing world being rocked by Indeed. Nvidia is now king of the public companies, and Bullhorn just gobbled up TextKernel. They jabber about AI in recruiting and retail, including McDonald's drive-through robots an…
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Think the time you've put in at your current employer is impressive? Well, let us introduce you to Matt Lavery, Global Director of Sourcing, Hiring and Onboarding at UPS ... since 1997. That's right, while you were listening to Radiohead's OK Computer, Matt was cutting his teeth in the competitive business of global package delivery. Needless to sa…
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