Co-hosted by recovery advocates Lisa Smith and Tawny Lara. A rock and roll-loving Gen X lawyer in 12-step recovery from addiction to alcohol and drugs. An equally rock-obsessed Millennial writer who found addiction recovery through blogging. Give them a couple microphones and you get the Recovery Rocks podcast, a new kind of discussion about the issues impacting those who struggle and recover, reflecting different perspectives, but finding much in common.
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Tawny and Lisa talk to Steve Rose, an addiction counselor specializing in gambling addiction, with a Ph.D in sociology. Tune in for a fascinating conversation about how gambling addiction is on the rise. This trend is closely linked to broader addictive behaviors such as smartphone and social media usage, which draw on many of the same psychologica…
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Episode 220: Episode 220: Poetry for Recovery
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Tawny and Lisa talk to Camille St Martin, an author and recovery advocate who recently released Spilled, her book of poetry inspired by her recovery journey. Like so many of us, she felt alone in her drinking spiral and found relief and catharsis in writing. Poetry was a passion she had as a teen and sobriety brought her the chance to reconnect wit…
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Episode 219: Episode 219: Boisson, Book Proposals, and Bestie Catch-Up
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Tawny talks about what’s going on with Dry Humping six months out and how she’s promoting her new drink, (parentheses). She’s also teaching a class on writing a nonfiction book proposal on May 22nd. They also talk about Lisa’s 20th SoBerthday and how indie non-alcoholic bottle shops are the heartbeat of the burgeoning non-alcoholic drink industry. …
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Episode 218: Episode 218: Recovery Rock Stars: Art Alexakis of Everclear
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Tawny and Lisa talk to Art Alexakis, frontman for Everclear, one of the defining bands of the 1990s, still going strong. Art has almost 35 years of recovery, living very much one day at a time. They talk about recovery and Art’s writing process, including the iconic song, “Father of Mine.” They also discuss what it takes to know when you’re done wi…
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Episode 217: Episode 217: Glimmers: The Opposite of Triggers
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Tawny and Lisa talk about “glimmers,” mini-moments of calm and even joy. Glimmers are the opposite of triggers. They create a subtle, but meaningful mood shift. Think of how you feel when you pet a dog or hear a song you love. They also talk about “golden shadows,” which, similar to glimmers, are small bright spots that break through when doing dif…
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Episode 216: Episode 216: How to Set Up Your Home Up for Recovery
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Tawny and Lisa talk about creating a home that supports your recovery. This can look different for everyone. It can range from clearing out anything you might find triggering, to setting up a space that makes you feel calm and content, to changing up your routine on arriving home. Like everything in recovery, it’s a process that doesn’t happen over…
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Episode 215: Episode 215: Why Do People in Recovery Getting into the Mental Health Field?
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Tawny and Lisa talk to Raam Roch Hai and Dr. Anthony Foster, Co-CEOs and Founders of AHA! Recovery, a new approach to treating substance use disorders. They discuss the effectiveness of therapists who are themselves in recovery working with others seeking recovery or supporting a loved one. AHA! Recovery blends three evidence-based therapeutics pra…
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Episode 214: Episode 214: Young and Sober with Alex Kosinski
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Tawny and Lisa talk with Alex Kosinski, a 20-something sober friend, who’s building a new life in his adopted city of San Diego. They talk sober dating, healthy habits, and being open to new experiences. Alex finds connection through pursuing passions like fitness, chess and studying Spanish, as well as leaning into the local recovery community. Mu…
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Episode 213: Episode 213: Boundaries, Codependency and Energy Vampires
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Tawny and Lisa talk codependency, something many folks in recovery grapple with. Melody Beattie, author of Codependent No More, defines codependency as, “The concept of losing one’s self while taking care of another.” Anticipating other people’s needs all the time leads to anxiety, projection, and manipulation. The answer is to stop trying to contr…
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Episode 212: Episode 212: Gray Area Drinking with Jolene Park
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Tawny and Lisa talk to Jolene Park, founder of Healthy Discoveries. Jolene is a functional nutritionist and a pioneer in the area of “gray area drinking,” the kind where there’s no rock bottom, but where one drinks to manage anxiety and later regrets how often or how much they drink. They talk about Jolene’s recent Substack piece on the online sobe…
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Episode 211: Episode 211: Catching Up on Life, Books, Movies and TV!
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Tawny and Lisa catch up on what’s been going on so far this year. They also share some of their latest picks for reading and watching. Tawny has finally had some time to decompress from all of the book tour craziness. Lisa has been diving into all kinds of distractions to try to keep things light in a challenging year. Music Minute features Taylor …
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Episode 210: Episode 210: Eating Disorders, Consent, and Elvis with Paulina Pinsky
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Tawny and Lisa talk to Paulina Pinsky (she/they), a writer, writing coach, and figure skater living in Los Angeles. She writes the Substack newsletter "newly sober" and she is the co-author of the teen guide to consent IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE AWKWARD. They talk about Paulina’s experience and recovery, including incorporating TCB (Trust, Compassion an…
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Now that Dry January is in the rearview mirror, what comes next? Tawny and Lisa discuss how taking a break from booze gives us an opportunity to be intentional and consider what a dry or damp month can provide. Maybe it helped to identify triggers and stressors – including people – and how you might handle them without alcohol going forward. Maybe …
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Episode 208: Episode 208: Mommy Wine Culture with Stefanie Wilder-Taylor
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Tawny and Lisa talk to Stefanie Wilder-Taylor, an author, TV personality, and cohost of the popular podcast For Crying Out Loud, about her new book, DRUNK-ISH: Loving and Leaving Alcohol. She is the co-host of the podcasts, For Crying Out Loud, Rose Pricks, and Bored A.F. She co-created and hosted the late-night comedy parenting show Parental Discr…
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Episode 207: Episode 207: Good News and Sad News: Announcing Our Card Deck & Honoring Matthew Perry
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Tawny and Lisa announce their new card deck out next fall! The Sobriety Deck is for anyone making the choice not to drink today, whether sober or sober-curious. It will provide support, guidance and inspiration in an easy-to-use format that can be drawn on anytime you need a little boost or help. While the deck is a real light, they also discuss th…
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Episode 206: Episode 206: Productivity Dysmorphia
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Tawny discovered a name for the Venn diagram of burnout, imposter syndrome, and work addiction than many of us struggle with: Productivity Dysmorphia. Focused on output and feeling like we’re never doing enough, productivity dysmorphia keeps us from understanding how much we truly do and have already done. To fight it, we can recognize it as a feel…
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Tawny and Lisa talk about what’s ahead in 2024. It’s a Strength card year in the Tarot – showing up and standing with a lion. And we know it’s going to be a challenging year in U.S. with so much at stake in our election. How do we take care of ourselves? One day at a time, for sure. And also asking, how can I “go first” in my life, while still show…
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Episode 204: Episode 204: Special Guest Dr. Brooke Scheller
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Tawny and Lisa talk to Dr. Brooke Scheller, the creator of Functional Sobriety and New York City’s top nutritionist specializing in alcohol use. Her new book, How to Eat to Change How You Drink, is a guide to leverage food and nutrition to reduce or eliminate alcohol consumption, develop mindfulness, and promote a healthier relationship with alcoho…
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On this episode I speak with Jamie Fay, the Co-Founder and CEO of Rationale Brewing, a kick-ass non-alcoholic brew. After losing both of his parents to alcoholism, Jamie was having a deep conversation with his son about being responsible as he was heading off to college. It was this conversation about the importance of moderation and the family's h…
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Episode 203: Episode 203: Fur Babies & Mental Health with Special Guest Carrie Finch, LCSW of PAWS NY
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Tawny and Lisa talk with Carrie Finch, Deputy Director of PAWS NY, an organization which provides pet care support to older adults and individuals living with illness, substance abuse, or disability in New York City, allowing these families to stay together and thrive. PAWS NY recently launched a new Substance Use Recovery Program, which provides f…
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Episode 202: Episode 202: Sobriety & Money with Special Guest Jill Sirianni, LCSW of Frugal Friends Podcast
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Tawny and Lisa interview Jill Sirianni, co-host of the podcast Frugal Friends, which aims to change how we think about frugality. It does not mean being cheap. Frugal living intersects with minimalism, simple living and sustainability. Many of us have financial stress, often left over from when we abused substances. They talk about how practicing c…
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Episode 201: Episode 201: Special Guest Gina Moffa, LCSW on Grief
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Tawny and Lisa interview Gina Moffa, author of the new book Moving On Doesn’t Mean Letting Go: A Modern Guide to Navigating Loss. Grief can show up over a death, the end of a friendship or relationship, or an ambiguous loss. Gina takes an honest look at how grief affects our lives and provides a heartfelt, practical map through the dark terrain of …
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Episode 200: Episode 200: Our 200th Episode! And the Being Sober for the Holidays
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Tawny and Lisa celebrate 200 episodes of Recovery Rocks and send a giant thank you to all of the listeners! It’s also the fifth holiday episode. They talk about getting through the season in a way that keeps their recoveries strong. That means planning ahead, setting boundaries, and taking time for themselves. As always, “No,” is a complete sentenc…
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Tawny and Lisa talk about burnout, a term that’s everywhere these days, but can sometimes be hard to spot in ourselves. A recent article from The New York Times, "Your Body Knows When it's Burned Out," lays out both the symptoms of burnout and how you might address them. It helps to recognize burnout when it begins to appear. Then we are able to qu…
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Tawny got married! She and Lisa talk about life milestones and rites of passage sans alcohol. While being grateful for living lives beyond what they expected when quitting booze, they also recognize that there are no guarantees in life. They talk about not relying on external events (marriage, moves, kids) to “fix” their lives. The most important t…
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Episode 197: Episode 197: On Quitting Everything With Special Guest Freda Love Smith
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Tawny and Lisa welcome writer, teacher, and retired indie rock drummer, Freda Love Smith. Her new memoir, I Quit Everything explores addiction, intoxication, and the twilight of her musical career. They talked about Freda’s experiment taking time off from alcohol, sugar, caffeine, weed, and social media during the pandemic. For some people, those n…
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Episode 196: Episode 196: Grief in Sobriety With Special Guest Katie Mack
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Tawny’s and Lisa’s good friend Katie Mack is back to talk about her latest project, #UGLYCRY, a one-woman show onstage in New York. Based on a true story, after the death of her ex-boyfriend, Mack, a grieving, social media-obsessed millennial brings him back to life with her phone. They talk about how grief looks different for everyone and changes …
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Episode 195: Episode 195: Our Bodies. Our Brains
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Tawny and Lisa talk about the importance of taking care of their bodies, which helps them take care of their brains. Tawny recently had bronchitis and when her doctor asked if she was using her asthma inhaler, she had forgotten all about her asthma! When she used it, it totally helped. Lisa has issues with her back and while she knows her physical …
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On this episode I sit down with MJ Gottlieb, the Co-Founder and CEO at Loosid App. We talk about Loosid, an app created for those who choose a sober lifestyle and MJ shares about his struggles with addiction and how he got and stays sober. Make sure to download the Loosid app. More info here: https://loosidapp.com/…
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Episode 194: Episode 194: Books, Books, Books
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Tawny and Lisa went on reading sprees over the summer (nothing new – Tawny has already read 42 books this year!). They talk about some of their recent favorites, including RIPE, YELLOWFACE, OLD ENOUGH, and THE LAST CHAIRLIFT. They’re all new books from both emerging authors and an old favorite (John Irving) and all have compelling, unique messages.…
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Episode 193: Episode 193: Leaning into Negative Feelings
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Recent research suggests that people who habitually judge negative feelings — such as sadness, fear and anger — as bad or inappropriate have more anxiety and depression symptoms and feel less satisfied with their lives than people who generally perceive their negative emotions in a positive or neutral light. Tawny and Lisa discuss how they try to k…
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Episode 192: Episode 192: Showing Up for Others
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One of the things Tawny and Lisa love about sober life is being able to show up for other people, often people they couldn’t truly show up for before. But showing up isn’t always on our time – we don’t control who plans what and when. They talk about those times and how they handle them. Tawny was in a wedding the weekend before her book launch! Cl…
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Episode 191: Episode 191: Special Guest Amanda Kuda
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Tawny and Lisa talk with Amanda Kuda, an alcohol-free lifestyle expert and the author of the upcoming book, Unbottled Potential: Break Up with Alcohol and Break Through To Your Best Life. Amanda is also a holistic life coach and speaker. She teaches a modern approach to personal development, self-actualization and spiritual enlightenment through th…
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Episode 190: Episode 190: DRY HUMPING (Tawny’s book) IS HERE!
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Tawny’s officially a published author! Her book, DRY HUMPING, is the book she needed when she was newly sober and terrified of dating and intimacy. Tawny’s book baby is out and on sale wherever you get your books! Tawny and Lisa talk all about DRY HUMPING and how it will help readers on sober and sober-curious journeys have better dates, sex, and p…
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Episode 189: Episode 189: Pre-Launch Catch Up
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Tawny and Lisa catch up on what’s been going on this summer. DRY HUMPING is out September 19! Tawny talks about recording her audiobook, pre-launch stress and how she’s managing the things she can’t control. Lisa talks about her presentation to first-year law students at Vanderbilt Law School and how important it is for young people going into high…
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Episode 188: Episode 188: Special Guest Celeste Yvonne
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Tawny and Lisa chat with Celeste Yvonne, author of It’s Not About the Wine: The Loaded Truth About Mommy Wine Culture. She is a certified sober coach (IAPRC) with over 20 years of experience as a communications professional in corporate America. Her writing has been featured in The Washington Post, Good Morning America, The Wall Street Journal, and…
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Episode 187: Episode 187: Special Guest Dawn Nickel
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Tawny and Lisa talk with Dawn Nickel, a founder of the SHE RECOVERS® Foundation, a groundbreaking organization serving women and non-binary individuals globally in or seeking recovery from mental health issues, trauma, substance use and related life challenges. It recognizes that we are all recovering from something and no one should have to recove…
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Episode 186: Episode 186: Grief and Losing Friends
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Tawny has recently experienced the loss of several friends from drugs, alcohol and by suicide, mainly in Waco, Texas, where she grew up. It’s a mental health desert where many are encouraged to “pray away” addiction or depression. She and Lisa talk about coping with grief in sobriety, which means feeling your feelings and leaning into resources. Mu…
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Episode 185: Episode 185: Special Guest Ann Dowsett Johnston
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Tawny and Lisa talk to (and fangirl!) Ann Dowsett Johnston, the bestselling author of DRINK: THE INTIMATE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN WOMEN AND ALCOHOL, the book that broke the story on the pinking of the alcohol market and the closing of the risky drinking gender gap. Now a psychotherapist, Ann also runs her popular memoir-writing course called Writing Y…
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Episode 184: Episode 184: Managing Our Energy Budgets
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Tawny is full-steam ahead on huge projects (you can pre-order her book!), including a new sober dating and relationships newsletter. She and Lisa talk about ways to manage busy – and not so busy – times. They look at their energy budgets (available time and resources) like money in a bank account. It means not saying yes to everything. It also mean…
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Episode 183: Episode 183: FOMO, JOMO and FOMA
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Tawny and Lisa talk about FOMO (Fear of Missing Out), JOMO (Joy of Missing Out) and FOMA (Fear of Missing Alcohol). Feelings of missing out are common, particularly when social media is full of friends and family on seemingly perfect summer vacations. And for those in early sobriety these feelings can be particularly tough. But there are lots of wa…
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Episode 182: Episode 182: Ozempic and Addiction
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Tawny and Lisa talk about Ozempic, a diabetes medication that can have the side effect of weight loss. Word of that side effect caused a run on the drug that led to a supply shortage for people with diabetes. Normalizing off-label use of a prescription drug (as opposed to taking a weight-management drug while under a doctor’s care) as a route to lo…
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Tawny and Lisa talk about the challenges – and big rewards – of sober travel. Particularly when everyone is in “vacation mode,” more booze will be flowing, and we can feel left out. It also takes us out of our routines and comfort zones. Their trick is to bring their sobriety toolkits along with us for support. Connecting with supportive friends an…
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Episode 180: Episode 180: “Beyond Liquid Courage” newsletter and DRY HUMPING!
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Tawny and Lisa talk about the excitement leading up to Tawny’s book launch on September 19! She also recently launched a weekly advice column called “Beyond Liquid Courage,” diving into all of the tricky questions and issues around sober sex and dating. It also features interviews, resources, and recommendations. She and Lisa also discuss the impor…
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BUCKLE IN! On this episode I sit down with Serena Mastin. She's a successful entreprenuer, a speaker, and she just wrote an incredible memoir titled Exposed: You can't heal when you hide. Serena has experienced signficant trauma in her life and this podcast just scathes the surface. Serena is an absolute ROCKSTAR and I'm grateful to have connected …
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Episode 179: Episode 179: New 988 National Suicide and Crisis Lifeline
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Tawny and Lisa talk about the 988 Lifeline, a new national service modeled after the 911 emergency hotline. 988 is focused on suicide and mental health crisis support. Not only can those in need call 988, but they can also text, an important feature for many who are more comfortable communicating with a counselor that way. The Lifeline also provide…
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Episode 178: Episode 178: “Wellmania” and Idealized Wellness
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Tawny and Lisa talk about the Netflix series, “Wellmania,” starring Celeste Barber. The show knocks down the idea that a fad diet or a stay at a spa will get us “well.” It’s also a realistic portrayal of the panic attacks and blacking out from anxiety that many of us have experienced. They also talk about John Mulaney’s stand-up comedy special, “Ba…
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