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Fat Mascara

Jennifer Sullivan & Jessica Matlin

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Beauty journalists Jessica Matlin and Jennifer G. Sullivan have insider access to the industry and they’re not gatekeeping. On Wednesdays, they talk candidly about beauty news, cultural trends, and the latest products and treatments. On Fridays, they get their high-profile guests to open up about their relationship to Beauty Culture and the inner workings of the industry. Join the duo that pioneered the beauty podcast for a smart, funny, totally unfiltered discussion of all things beauty on ...
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There’s so much happening in cosmetic surgery for Jenn & Garrett to discuss: Lindsay Lohan’s new face; politicians getting work done; labia puffs; penis filler; and all the new ways to stop aging (and whether or not to partake or disclose). We also do a live fragrance test of Harry’s new Tamalpais cologne and keep the holiday-candle conversation go…
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Cosmetic chemist AJ Addae is the founder of Sula Labs, a company that helps beauty brands develop and test products and ingredients for melanin-rich consumers. She’s here to share her story and talk about the future of sunscreen and clean beauty, how bias affects scientific research, the difference between cosmetics and drugs, exosomes, vitamin C, …
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Jess & Jenn are intrigued by the growing interest in pheromone perfumes. Could they help people find love? Hmm. Plus: L’Oréal’s Louvre tour; investment and acquisition news from Jess’s Business Desk; a rise in products designed to help people who get migraines (aka, migraneurs!); faux candles that don’t look fake; and the anti-frizz treatment spray…
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Content creator @officiallysoniaramos calls herself a “mature lady” (lol, she’s 46), but her makeup tips work for Gen Z, Boomers, and everybody in between. She explains how (and why) she let her gray hair grow in at 35, why everybody’s getting their concealer wrong, where to put your blush, the power of the double cleanse, and how to look less tire…
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Jenn & Julee are in the holiday spirit! Let’s talk about which botanical oils are best for your hair type; why Dax Shepard thought it was okay to ask Cynthia Erivo a *very* personal question about her long nails; the huge rise in applications for dermatology residencies; and which candle says “I’m feeling the holiday season” best. Plus, we raise wa…
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Cozy up and get ready to feel all the feels with Emelia O’Toole, aka @professorperfume, who talks about the connection between literature, longing, and perfumery. She and Jenn tease out why nostalgia feels so good, and chat about books, scent memories, the romance of weddings and honeymoons, Dracula, One Direction, and fragrances inspired by chess,…
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Jenn & Jess share insider beauty gossip, dig into why people are doom shopping, discuss Bobbi Brown’s move into home goods, and dream of attending the Hair Freezing Contest. After that, Jenn shares the inside story on chypre and amber fragrances—direct from Coty perfume historians in Paris—and we raise wands to meaningful beauty gifts, the new beau…
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As the co-founder and general partner of True Beauty Ventures, venture capital investor Cristina Nuñez is an industry talent scout, trend spotter, and brand builder all wrapped into one. Her company's portfolio includes K18, Sofie Pavitt Face, Vacation, Iris&Romeo, and many other beauty brands you know and love. In this interview, she offers amazin…
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The $42 price tag on Patrick Ta’s new eyeshadow duo annoyed many in the beauty community, and we’re digging into why that might be. Have we been conditioned by the implied value of larger palettes? Is it general inflation anger? Dupe culture? Jenn & Garret discuss. Plus: An unprecedented counterfeit Botox scam; needles for cosmetic injections defor…
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We’re kicking off the holiday season with Tory Burch: entrepreneur, philanthropist, designer (of Kamala Harris’s concession speech suit, FWIW), and an official member of the beauty community since her expansion into fragrance two years ago, when this interview first aired. We talk about how to take the pressure off decorating and planning for the h…
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It’s a fun and freewheeling episode with Jess & Jenn. The big topic: Why do some beauty brands send their products to D.I.F. (destroy in field) programs? Jess explains and talks about a business model that could be less wasteful. Plus: The succession game is over at Estée Lauder Companies; there's a new Nosferatu perfume; we're contemplating sleep …
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If you aren’t familiar with Ione Gamble and Gina Tonic, then you’re about to meet your British best friends. The hosts of The Polyester Podcast join Jenn and Jess for a fun and wide-ranging chat about the beauty discourse, including makeup microtrends, music fandom, The Real Lives of Mormon Wives, Victoria’s Secret, In Vogue: The 90s, underconsumpt…
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Jenn and Julee catch up on all the latest in beauty, from hair care for 10-year-old boys to why Jenn’s facial mist is the Nicole Scherzinger of skincare. We’re also talking about beauty brands with questionable influencer-marketing strategies; why Paullie Skin founder Anna Paul is hiding luxury gifts in customer orders; whether celebrity veneers ar…
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Makeup artist Emily Schubert, author of A24’s Beauty Of The Beast, shares her creative process for doing special-effects makeup, the artists who inspire her, how her body has influenced her work, and how she turned humans into creepy looking pets for a recent cover of New York magazine. Plus, she shares the products that are always in her kit and s…
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So much to cover this week: A report on holiday beauty trends (including preppy skincare and the evolution of the word “preppy”); Taylor Swift’s glitter freckles; tubing mascaras; a perfume that smells like potatoes; details behind the scenes at Dieux; a color-enhancing shampoo; a calming serum for rosacea; and (in Science Corner!) new information …
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International Flavors & Fragrances master perfumer Stephen Nicoll talks about a side of the fragrance industry that doesn’t get a lot of publicity: scenting household products. He explains how he creates fragrances for fabric detergents, cleaning sprays, and dryer sheets; what encapsulating a scent does for its longevity; why Americans like the sme…
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Brand founder, hairstylist, and hair educator Kristin Ess is giving us (and you!) a free masterclass in all things hair. She explains the secret to making every hair day a good hair day and talks about salons, how to talk to your stylist, managing business relationships, how celebrity-client partnerships actually work, and how to work with the text…
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YouTube phenom and makeup artist Michelle Phan’s career as a creator spans a revolutionary period in beauty culture, when the forces shaping trends changed, social media democratized the industry, and mergers and acquisitions altered the brand landscape. Now, Michelle is here to talk about all of that, as well as EM Cosmetics and her newest project…
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Jess & Jenn don’t believe the reports that mascara is becoming less popular. Other things we’re contemplating this week: the whimsical beauty at Paris Fashion Week; whether “skincare skin” is the new no-makeup makeup; what Oak Essentials stands for and if it will make you want to buy a horse; how to apply lotion to your own back; and which setting …
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A good wig is life-changing, says Christina Jones, the education and product development manager for The Wig Company. She’s here to explain wig basics, why people with hair loss or who are undergoing chemotherapy might want to wear a wig, the difference between ready-to-wear and custom wigs, what monofilament and lace-front wig caps are, and how to…
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Do you know someone who looks different since they’ve been talking a GLP-1 drug like Ozempic or Wegovy? Jenn & Garrett know a few, and they need to discuss. Jenn does a sniff test of Glossier’s two new perfumes, and we’re also talking about Moo Deng blush, Demi Moore in The Substance, the woman who died from a liquid BBL, and a supplement designed …
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The founder of Summer Fridays and host of the podcast Life With Marianna opens up about the big business of “influencing.” Marianna Hewitt talks to Jess about parlaying her success on social media into a skincare brand and shares her tips for leading a more productive, creative life. Plus, why she’s into lash lifts, brow lamination, and body rollin…
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The gang’s all here for a special episode! We’re going to catch up after the summer, and then each of us will “Show & Tell” a recent beauty discovery. We also have a passionate debate about the difference between radiance and luminosity (not the same things!), and we answer a bunch of listener questions, including how to prep your skin for big even…
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Art historian Elizabeth L. Block shares fascinating stories about hair culture in 19th-century America that she uncovered while researching her new book, Beyond Vanity: The History and Power of Hairdressing. We’re talking about Victorian hair dishes; what shows like Bridgerton and The Gilded Age get right (and wrong) about beauty; the ingredients i…
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Jenn & Julee bring you gossip (and some standout beauty looks) from New York Fashion Week. We’re also talking about a less-expensive alternative to epidermal growth factor serums; a dreamy body glaze (different than an oil!); why every fragrance launch is a “collection”; the best and worst celebrity beauty lines; formaldehyde (still!?) in hair stra…
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The perfect serum drizzle, the fluffiest body-cream whip, the straightest arm swatches—prop stylist Kounthear Kuch has done it all. In this episode, she takes us behind the scenes of a beauty photo shoot, discusses the latest color and photo trends in beauty, and demystifies the very ASMR world of making beauty products look delicious. Episode reca…
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Jenn & Jess welcome intern Ellie Dixon into the studio to chat about why you may want an aluminum-free deodorant and which ones are best. Plus: students hiring makeup artists for the first day of school; why facialists are focusing more on clients’ necks; organizing tricks; a new chypre scent from Hermès; vanilla perfumes; water-based scents; e.l.f…
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Francisco Costa looks at beauty through a different lens. One of the biggest forces in fashion, the former women's creative director of Calvin Klein Collection speaks to Jess about his evolution from designer to beauty founder, with the launch of Costa Brazil, and shares his creative process around product development. He also gets candid about the…
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Let’s dig into some fall beauty trends, like bow nails, soft baddie and Igari makeup, “fox” hair color—and whether or not Jess should get bangs. Plus: lookism in the news, the couple who pioneered cosmetic Botox, bridal beauty, rediscovering Pillow Talk, and a lip gloss that tastes like Haribo peach gummies. And, in a special segment brought to you…
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Get to know Rihanna-approved facialist Sean Garrette. He shares his story, and we talk about skin barrier repair, facial percussion, his favorite at-home skincare devices, the best treatment for keratosis pilaris, why he puts retinol on his hands, and the three things you need for a “moisture sandwich” that will make your skin plumper and more hydr…
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We took a field trip to a New York City head spa, and we’ll tell you all about it. Then, Jess asks graphic designers why we’ve been seeing so many big, round, “wavy gravy” fonts in beauty packaging. Plus, we’re talking about executive changes at Estée Lauder Companies; an Anna Sui laptop with built-in perfume pods; the hot back-to-school beauty ite…
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What is a non-surgical facelift? Plastic surgeon Kimberly Lee, MD, explains all the cosmetic treatments it can entail: injections of fat, filler, or neuromodulators; PDO threads (aka, “thread lifts”); radiofrequency skin tightening; and lasers. Plus, she talks about the long-term effects of filler, Botox, and Micro-Coring; details her approach to f…
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What ridiculous beauty treatments are celebrities promoting this week? Jenn turns that question into a game for Garrett. Before that, Wolfgang test-drives Dolce & Gabbana’s perfume for dogs; we explain what’s going on with Avon and the talc lawsuits; and we look into the ingredient story behind Dyson’s new hair line. Plus: the beauty and wellness p…
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Ellen Atlanta, the author of Pixel Flesh: How Toxic Beauty Culture Harms Women, explains how the digital age has amplified pressure on women, girls, and marginalized genders to meet increasingly unnatural beauty standards. We talk about the cultural phenomenon of the Kardashians, the Love Island aesthetic, whether the body-acceptance movement has s…
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Summer nights in New York City, perfume parties, new beauty commercials, Blake Brown Beauty, plastic surgery complications, a plumping blush (and where to put it), and tweezers for your pets…Jess & Jenn have a lot to discuss. Plus, in a special segment brought to you by Shiseido Ginza Tokyo and Acast Creative, we’ll introduce you to our new favorit…
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We’re getting into the not-so-glamorous details of building a beauty business with Maria Hatzistefanis, the founder & CEO of Rodial and Nip + Fab. We talk about contact manufacturing vs. white labeling, cost of goods, supply-chain issues, how to grow a brand without investors, and why there are so many celebrity lines. Plus: The surprising secret t…
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A listener called in with questions about the new whole-body deodorants, and Jenn & Garrett are here to help. Plus, we’re discussing at-home sleep apnea testing; why more men are using prestige skincare; some highlights from Cosmoprof (including a waterless shampoo and conditioner); Auntie Anne’s new perfume; and—in Science Corner!—a study explaini…
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#cleantok star Vanesa Amaro explains exactly how to organize your beauty products and keep them clean. What’s the best way to remove lint and dust from a hairbrush? How do you get the inside of your makeup bag clean? Which cleaning products should you use if you’re sensitive to fragrance? Vanesa—a pro housekeeper and the Queen of Clean on TikTok—ha…
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Jess & Jenn discuss how to respond when people comment on your appearance. Plus: the “underconsumption” trend; a growing body of research that shows neurotoxin injections (Botox, Dysport, Xeomin, etc.) may limit your ability to empathize; beauty marketers using Reddit to sell their products; Borghese spa mud; and the science of lip-softening balms …
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Learn how the U.S. military was involved in the development of hairspray, why redheads are so prevalent in Pre-Raphaelite paintings, and the surprising way women in Renaissance Italy used to dye their hair in this fascinating interview with hair historian Rachael Gibson. We also talk about hair as a symbol of resistance, the evolution of the modern…
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It’s a very sporty episode with Jenn & Julee: We’re talking about Olympian Suni Lee’s nails, how exercise affects the longevity of neurotoxin injections, the best sports bra for runners (Julee knows— she used to be a track star!), and more. Plus: Elizabeth Banks’s new movie, Skincare, and its real life inspiration; a detailed explanation of fragran…
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…and vice versa. In this collaborative episode, Jess & Jenn get vulnerable with Jonathan Van Ness, the Queer Eye star, host of the podcasts Getting Curious and Pretty Curious, and founder of JVN Hair. We swap beauty stories and discuss what first drew us to the industry. Plus, Jonathan opens up his struggles with social media and the bankruptcy of …
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First, can we talk about the Devil Wears Prada sequel? After that, Jenn & Jess discuss strawberry perfumes; share tips for entrepreneurs from the Estée Lauder Companies' New Incubation Ventures Symposium; and chat about the Miss AI beauty pageant, Troye Sivan's gig as the makeup ambassador for Rabanne, heavy metals in tampons, and why the young peo…
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Futurist, tech CEO, and makeup artist Alex Box, DDes, is working to make sure that as technology continues to evolve, our humanity and creativity isn’t lost. If you feel like social media, AI, and the metaverse are negatively affecting beauty standards, our self-esteem, and artist creativity, Alex offers an alternative: What if we all work together…
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In this confessional and juicy interview, hairstylist Sally Hershberger takes us back to SoCal in the late 1970s, and shares how she parlayed her rock-star-adjacent life into a full-on creative career, working in salons and then on set as one of the fashion world’s favorite hairstylists. She talks about giving Meg Ryan her famous shag haircut, crea…
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Kilian Hennessy, founder of Kilian Paris, talks about his famous last name, the history and semantics of fragrance, and the "potential consequences of making perfumed panties," in this interview, which originally aired in 2019. Plus, he explains why tuberose is better than Cheetos and what it’s like to be part of a big beauty conglomerate like Esté…
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Jenn and Garrett discuss their recent travels, including Garrett's spa experience at a Dubai wellness hotel. Then they ask Chat GPT for skincare advice in real time (things do not go well). Plus: Trends from the new American Society of Plastic Surgeons survey; iRoma’s technology that could make movies (and emojis!) smellable in the near future; an …
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Is blue light bad for your eyes—or your skin? Which lash-growth serums work without harming your eyes? Is it okay to tightline? How do redness-relieving eye drops work, and can you get addicted to them? What’s the best way to remove eye makeup? Ophthalmologist Nicky Shah, MD, cofounder of You & Eye by Dr. Nicky, is going to answer all those questio…
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Jess & Jenn share highlights from two beauty conferences, and then discuss the copywriting over at Vacation Inc.; the challenges of building a lasting fragrance brand; changes at Space NK; the beauty brands with Olympics tie-ins; new flanker products for Clinique Black Honey; the woman with hyperosmia (a super-sensitive olfactive ability) who can s…
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Ami Colé founder & CEO Diarrha N'Diaye-Mbaye went from social media manager (Temptu, L’Oréal) to product developer (Glossier) to starting a beauty brand for melanin-rich skin—and she’s refreshingly honest about what it took to get where she is. We discuss how her personal story is part of (but not the same thing as!) her brand; what it’s like to wo…
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