Downloaded over 500,000 times! Experts On The Wire is a monthly SEO podcast hosted by Dan Shure. Discover new trends, tactics, tools, people, and businesses doing remarkable work in the world of Search Engine Optimization. Past guests include Rand Fishkin, Brian Dean, Annie Cushing, Noah Kagan & Vanessa Fox. I’m an SEO consultant myself, so we dig deep into SEO, technical challenges, growth stories, mobile SEO, eCommerce, crawling, content marketing & more.
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122: Crawl Optimization, How Google Works, SEO Income Studies w/Jori Ford
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Tech SEO fans and anyone passionate about the SEO industry, this episode is for you! My guest for this episode is Jori Ford! Jori Ford is currently Chief Marketing Officer at FoodBoss, which is a food delivery search comparison engine. Prior to that, she was Sr. Director of SEO and Content at G2 among many other roles. In addition to her vast SEO, …
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121: In-House, Large Scale SEO (Migrations, Crawl Optimization & More) w/Becky Westmoreland
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Tech SEO fans this episode is for you! If you are curious about what it’s like doing SEO for a site with 70M+ URLs indexed, how to handle challenging issues like migrating millions of URLs across 250,000+ distinct websites, and what it’s like doing SEO in-house for such a gigantic site you’ll definitely want to tune in and take notes. My guest for …
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120: SEO Ranking Factors, A/B Testing & The Evolution of Google w/Will Critchlow
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What does Google core updates have to do with the now old concept of the “Google Dance”? The Google Dance was an SEO nuisance from years ago, and the core updates are a more modern challenge.The connection lies in the fact that you can’t separate the past of SEO from where we are today. And you can’t fully do great SEO today without having some und…
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119: Jon Morrow’s Proven Formula for Growing Blog Traffic With SEO
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Jon Morrow has consistently and repetitively grown the blog traffic for several sites and organizations. In the early days of CopyBlogger, he helped take them to 3.5M page views a month. He then helped KissMetrics grow from 0-130,000 visits per month. And he has grown his own site SmartBlogger to well over 140,000 monthly visits (Google US, accordi…
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118: How To Help Large Organizations Win at SEO w/Melanie Phung
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In this episode: How to work on SEO effectively with big organizations Working with both content and tech teams — and how to get them to actually execute Why understanding the HISTORY of a company, organization and website is important before giving recommendations What do you do if you get push back against SEO advice? How to instill SEO Education…
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117: Improve Your Rankings w/Internal Links, Automation for SEO & More w/JR Oakes
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JR Oakes is the Senior Director of Technical SEO Research at Locomotive Agency and he has written for Search Engine Land, Search Engine Watch, spoken at SEMpdx and TechSEO Boost and is the founder of iCodeSEO. He also is an organizer with the Beer & SEO and Raleigh SEO Meetups. In this episode: How to start learning how to do code-based SEO How JR …
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116: Seizing The Image Search Opportunity w/Jess Peck
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In this episode: How to find image SEO opportunities Image traffic attribution How to optimize for image SEO The value of using and testing with screen readers BEYOND accessibility What is visual search and how to optimize for it Listen Now! Related Episodes You Might Like Optimizing Crawl Budget To Improve Web Traffic w/Vanessa Fox The Definitive …
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115: How To Actually Do an SEO Ranking Analysis – w/Micah Fisher-Kirshner
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In this episode: The differences between eCommerce SEO and B2B SEO (tactics and strategies) Crawl optimization on Seasonal Sites Developing internal SEO documentation How he helps companies needing operational expertise with SEO to help them grow – and using SEO skills to help find and vet companies to purchase and grow Beyond just basic keyword se…
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114: Big Retailer SEO, Power BI, CTR & Rankings (Data) w/Claudia Higgins
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In this episode: Doing SEO for a big retailer What an SEO Insight Technology Manager does Using PPC to Strategize for SEO Why/when/how to use Power BI What is the “data hulk”?! Does CTR actually impact ranking? (Based on data) Strategically dealing with Holiday and Seasonal content Communicating SEO value to executives. Claudia Higgins is an SEO In…
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113: Advanced Analytics for SEO: Panel from TechSEO Boost 2019
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This special episode was recorded live on stage at TechSEO Boost in Boston on December 5th 2019. I was honored to host a panel on Advanced Analytics for SEO with some really smart guests: Aja Frost – Hubspot Jim Gianoglio – Bounteous Colleen Harris – CDK Global Alexis Sanders – Merkle In this episode, you will learn a ton, including: Specific, adva…
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112: Martin Splitt On Rendering, Crawl Budget, JS SEO, Treeshaking & More
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In this episode: Does Google fetch all the scripts on a page? “Treeshaking” and how it can help your page’s performance Queuing time vs rendering time for Google When to use JS Frameworks or not Exactly how and when rendering counts against “crawl budget” Is “crawl budget” a problem and something that should be optimized […] The post 112: Martin Sp…
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111: How To Tackle Advanced eCommerce and Technical SEO w/Luke Carthy
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In this episode: How to handle out of stock products (we get quite detailed here) Crawl optimization How to optimize content on product pages How to optimize content on category pages Internal search page optimization Handling content delivered in JavaScript on product or category pages Common eCommerce SEO mistakes The future of eCommerce SEO How …
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110: A Candid Conversation w/Barry Schwartz on His Story, Productivity, Core Updates & More
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Today’s episode I think is an important one for anyone who’s a part of, or interested in, the SEO industry. Whether you’re an actual practitioner, maybe newer to the space, or just following along and love SEO – you’ll probably get something out of this discussion. I wanted to talk with Barry and get more […] The post 110: A Candid Conversation w/B…
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The Private Voice Memo I Made After Dinner With Gary Illyes [2017]
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On April 4th 2017, I had the opportunity to sit down at dinner with Gary Illyes and about seven other SEOs (including Paul Shapiro, who was the one who nicely invited me). We got to ask him questions and chat about SEO and Google. Immediately after leaving, I got out my phone and recorded about […] The post The Private Voice Memo I Made After Dinne…
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109: How To Find, Get… and Keep Featured Snippets with Izzi Smith
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Yes, we chatted a LOT about featured snippets – and get pretty detailed with the tactics. Izzi has a lot of experience optimizing for all kinds of snippets and SERP features in her work with Sixt. She even breaks down exactly how Sixt got two snippets for high volume and highly lucrative searches. BUT, we […] The post 109: How To Find, Get… and Kee…
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108: How To Escape Content Mediocrity w/Henneke D
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This show is PACKED with writing tips that will improve your SEO and marketing… including: What makes a great headline How to write a strong opening How to sell with copy Editing tools Attracting more customers to your blog And lots more! My guest Henneke has written for Copyblogger, Kissmetrics and the author of two […] The post 108: How To Escape…
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107: A Masterclass In Modern Day Link Building w/Garrett French
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I try not to be hyperbolic in titles – but when listening back to this episode, a “masterclass” is the description that keeps coming to mind. You can tell when I throw spontaneous and challenging questions out like “how important is link velocity?” and Garrett gives a thoughtful, experience-based, unique answer – without even […] The post 107: A Ma…
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106: Tim Soulo On Ahrefs Growth, Their Search Engine & Being a DJ
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On today’s episode! How Tim went from being a DJ, to CMO at Ahrefs The Story (and an update!) on The Ahrefs Search Engine How Tim earned 200+ backlinks on one piece of content on his personal blog How Ahrefs Estimates Traffic Numbers The SEO mistake they made when trying to rank for “what is […] The post 106: Tim Soulo On Ahrefs Growth, Their Searc…
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105: Proven Rules For Outreach & Link Building Success w/Gisele Navarro
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Gisele is Operations Director at NeoMam (who has helped companies like HomeAdvisor, Angie’s List and Expedia with content and link campaigns). In this episode: How Gisele landed six features from just fifteen emails Why link building is NOT just the same as “digital PR” Getting big-name sites to link to you (with a different approach […] The post 1…
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104: How To Drive More Traffic, Sales and Links (with less content) w/Daniel Daines-Hutt
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This episode is packed with ideas for leveraging content to drive traffic and increase sales. Here are some of the things we covered: How he got one of the top 10 articles of all time on Inbound.org The SEO benefits of paid content promotion How to build links with paid content How to improve the […] The post 104: How To Drive More Traffic, Sales a…
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103: Dan Taylor on Javascript SEO, Service Workers & Mistakes New SEOs Make
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Dan is a Senior Technical SEO and Account Director at SALT Agency. We covered a LOT of topics in this conversation – including: The benefits of service workers and how to set them up (we get pretty detailed) Why the traditional SEO audit document is flawed How to handle the various challenges we encounter with […] The post 103: Dan Taylor on Javasc…
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102: Crawl Optimization & How To Do Crawl First SEO w/Aysun Akarsu
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This is the first of three episodes recorded at TechSEO Boost 2018! I sat down with Aysun Akarsu to chat about: How to optimizing your site architecture and crawl paths for better rankings Does ‘crawl budget’ actually exist (even though Google says it doesn’t)? How to set up a crawl, and what data to pull into your […] The post 102: Crawl Optimizat…
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101: Internal Links, Content Marketing & ASO w/Jackie Chu of Uber
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It’s not often we get to learn from experienced in-house SEOs but today’s guest is Jackie Chu, formerly an in-house SEO at Square and now the SEO Lead at Uber. You’ll learn: How Square Ranked For “POS System” Internal Linking Tips How to use SEO as a Product Function How Facebook Ads Can Help SEO App […] The post 101: Internal Links, Content Market…
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100: Marie Haynes on The August 1st Update, Link Building, EAT – Special Call-In Show!
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We did it! One hundred episodes of Experts on the Wire. Enjoy 🙂 -Dan Our Sponsor BuzzSumo – One of my favorite tools for coming up with content ideas, finding people who share content in an industry, and tons more (like alerts to keep an eye on your competitor’s links). Listen to the show for a special […] The post 100: Marie Haynes on The August 1…
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099: When Clients Have Bought SEO But Are Not Bought In w/Heather Physioc
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On today’s show! The rebirth of SEO Why do clients buy SEO without being bought in? What SEOs can learn from the world of advertising Communicating up the authority chain inside companies Thinking of SEO projects like a product team Estimating the ROI of SEO projects What to do when you’re a company like Coke […] The post 099: When Clients Have Bou…
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098: How Saleshacker Grew 426% & Used SEO To Get Acquired w/Gaetano DiNardi
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This is a special episode of Experts in a few ways. For one, Gaetano shares for the first time how SEO played a role in the just announced acquisition of Salehacker. And we get really into the details on his growth strategy that exploded their traffic 426% in 16 months. Second – this was an experimental […] The post 098: How Saleshacker Grew 426% &…
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097: Using Keyword Psychographics To Improve Your SEO w/Marty Weintraub
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The second we started this interview I knew it was going to be one for the history books! Marty is a creative, imaginative, strategic thinker AND technical in how he understands data, and the intersection of people with search engines – top it off with years of experience helping companies like Airbnb, Amazon, Square and more with […] The post 097:…
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096: How To Deliver Effective SEO Consulting w/Marie Haynes
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If you’re an SEO Consultant (or work with one) maybe you struggle with things like: charging project vs hourly how much to charge dealing with difficult clients how to acquire clients and sell SEO problems with “snake oil” SEO selling how to stand out in the SEO industry time management how to grow from a solo […] The post 096: How To Deliver Effec…
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095: Preparing For Audio SEO & Podcasts In Google Search w/Steve Pratt
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When you think about it, audio is the most untapped content-type for Google (and search in general). They’ve practically mastered and dominate every other form – from text to video, maps, news, images. But Google recently announced their plans to make audio a ‘first class citizen’ in search – from podcasts to any audio in your […] The post 095: Pre…
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094: Large Site, In-House Technical SEO w/Jamie Alberico
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In this episode! How Jamie decides what products to index (on a 4+ million product site) Metrics the technical SEO team at Arrow.com cares about Optimizing crawl efficiency and click depth on a large site How to run internal crawls on a 10m+ page site Using custom XML sitemaps How to find and fix re-direct chains […] The post 094: Large Site, In-Ho…
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093: Earn Links By Building Your Own Stock Photo Library w/Jay Thibault
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I love this strategy in this week’s episode because it takes advantage of “sawdust” – the stuff leftover from something else, but it can be USED to provide value and get you links in return. And yes, this is a supplementary link acquisition strategy – not to necessarily replace your primary link acquisition – but you could take […] The post 093: Ea…
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092: Mobile First Indexing: A Whole New Google w/Cindy Krum
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In today’s episode! What ‘link equity’ might mean in a mobile-first index world Why you don’t need a URL to be indexed anymore Language & Keyword Indexing vs Entity Indexing What chatbots have to do with voice search Google Actions and Google Assistant Listeners questions answered (PWA’s, AMP, Google Posts, Mobile Site Speed) Why the […] The post 0…
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091: UX & Accessibility – Essential Lessons For SEOs w/Kim Krause Berg
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When traffic drop issues started hitting my inbox early 2017 – I was perplexed. These weren’t the typical link penalties, thin content or panda algo issues. There was something different going on here. By March/April of 2017 I’d seen enough of these issues, and along with other SEOs started connecting the dots. In June I then published a […] The po…
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090: Improve Your Rankings by Understanding Intent w/AJ Kohn
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I read AJ’s recent article “what I learned in 2017”. In it, he mentioned not being very excited about the SEO content being published these days. I wanted to find out why. I did, but we also ended up chatting about his unique view on recent Google updates (and why they were NOT ‘content quality’ […] The post 090: Improve Your Rankings by Understand…
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089: Are Ranking Factor Studies Hurting The SEO Industry? w/Jenny Halasz
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In this episode: The problem with calling metrics like word count, time to first byte “ranking factors” Why Jenny believes CTR is NOT a significant ranking factor How to stay focused on what matters in the noisy SEO industry How to think through and solve your own SEO problems Pros and (mostly) cons of AMP A […] The post 089: Are Ranking Factor Stu…
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088: Turbocharge Your Content Creation Process w/Marijana Kostelac
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Have you ever seen a content strategy fail to perform because things don’t get executed? It can be frustrating to have the best SEO plan, content plan or marketing plan – only to have it fall short because things just don’t get done. In today’s episode, my guest Marijana Kostelac is going to teach us […] The post 088: Turbocharge Your Content Creat…
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087: Voice Search, Structured Data & Duplicate Content Strategies w/Alexis Sanders
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I couldn’t fit every topic we talked about in the title – here are some highlights from this episode! We debate the pros and cons of voice search data in Search Console How brands and business can use Alexa Skills Advanced strategies for duplicate content identification and resolution The importance of web architecture and understanding information…
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086: Technical SEO, Ranking Factors & the Story Behind TechSEOBoost w/Paul Shapiro
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On today’s show! What it’s like working with big clients like VW and Proctor and Gamble Getting buy-in from all the departments on SEO Leveraging automation and tools to collect and process data Link building at scale The impact of machine learning on rankings The most important types of backlinks to focus on The problems […] The post 086: Technica…
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085: Important Lessons Learned From Eight Years Of SEO w/Paula Keller French
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Today – I chat will Paula Keller French about her top eight lessons learned doing SEO for eight years. Listen now for some stories of mistakes to avoid, and SEO tips backed by almost a decade of experience! I especially liked her tips about client retention towards the end, so be sure to stay tuned in […] The post 085: Important Lessons Learned Fro…
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084: Decoding The Mysterious World of Analytics w/Simo Ahava
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On today’s show! The problem’s with bounce rate Tracking content like a product Why most people don’t understand what a session is The myth of the ‘non-technical’ marketer Listen Now! Sponsors BuzzSumo – One of my favorite tools for coming up with content ideas, finding people who share content in an industry, and tons more (like alerts […] The pos…
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083: How To Win At In House, Large Scale SEO w/Kevin Indig of Atlassian
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For some reason, it’s a struggle to find In-House SEOs to share their stories, lessons and SEO strategies. Today’s show is the rare exception. Kevin Indig runs technical SEO at Atlassian – a company responsible for tools like Trello, Jira, Confluence and more. Atlassian.com has a domain authority of 93. There are hundreds of thousands of URLs […] T…
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082: Massive Featured Snippet & SEO Growth (In an Ultra Competitive Industry) w/Stephanie Briggs
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A tweet like the one below from Justin Briggs is hard to miss. 120% growth in product pages, 60% growth in content pages – and as I learned later – a 258% growth in featured snippet visibility. All in a highly competitive and regulated financial industry. As you can estimate in the SEMrush snapshot below […] The post 082: Massive Featured Snippet &…
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081: How To Transform Your Content Marketing Into a Superpower w/Phil Singleton
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The title may seem a little hyperbolic. But I can assure having just listened back to this interview, it’s not. My guest Phil Singleton, who co-authored SEO for Growth with John Jantsch (Duct Tape Marketing) – has been helping clients get the maximum value from content in a smart efficient way for over a decade. Given […] The post 081: How To Trans…
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080: Dana DiTomaso’s Rules, Tools and Tactics of SEO Success [Must Listen]
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Dana is exactly the type of guest I had in mind when I named this show ‘Experts’ on the Wire. The word expert is certainly overused. But to me, an expert is someone who actually has a depth of experience around what they are talking about AND can explain it fluently and clearly with the audience […] The post 080: Dana DiTomaso’s Rules, Tools and Ta…
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079: A Journey Through Google’s Most Significant Search Patents (Part 2) w/Bill Slawski
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I wanted to create an audio resource to learn about search patents – the kind I would have found useful when I was studying them back in 2012. So I welcomed Bill Slawski – who has been reading and writing about search patents for almost 10 years – back to Experts to discuss more patents and […] The post 079: A Journey Through Google’s Most Signific…
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078: $958k ROI from SEO, YouTube’s Algorithm & Video Marketing w/Justin Briggs
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Justin walks me through the process he used to bring a $600-958k ROI doing SEO for 10/hours per month on a project. We chat about the pros and cons of ‘check box SEO’ – and why SEO can sometimes be the ‘easy’ part – and the real secret behind their success at Briggsby. He shares what […] The post 078: $958k ROI from SEO, YouTube’s Algorithm & Video…
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077: How To Use SEO For Bands, Creators & The Music Industry w/Wes Walls
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The story of how today’s guest ended up on the show starts all the way back on July 18th, 2016 when I received this email: I didn’t end up speaking on the SXSW panel (but I did help connect him with Mike King who did participate in the panel) Then June 20th of this year, […] The post 077: How To Use SEO For Bands, Creators & The Music Industry w/We…
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076: A Journey Through Google’s Most Significant Search Patents (Part 1) w/Bill Slawski
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Back in 2012, I was trying to take my SEO to the next level. I had learned all of the standard stuff – titles, content, I had a pretty solid grasp on technical SEO. But felt like there was MUCH more to know. That’s when I discovered SEO By The Sea – a blog that […] The post 076: A Journey Through Google’s Most Significant Search Patents (Part 1) w/…
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075: Boost Your Rankings By Improving ‘Crawl Budget’ w/Dawn Anderson
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In this episode, I guarantee you’ll learn at LEAST one new mind blowing concept about SEO. Or very possibly two. Or three. Probably more (listening back to this interview, I had a ton of light bulb moments myself). Such as…. you know those studies that show longer content correlates with higher rankings? Well, maybe it’s not literally […] The post …
The story of a troubling email I received Monday morning. NEXT week, we’ll back to the regular interview style episodes. Subscribe on iTunes and never miss a new show! Links Actually, just one link 🙂 The May 17th 2017 Google Algorithm Update Photo Credit: Gabriele Diwald via Unsplash The post 074: The Email appeared first on Evolving SEO.…